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WC: 2017 Team Canada - Part II

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Bear12Good said:
Allen,Holtby,Talbot.

Maybe Talbot can go?
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Talbot has played a ton of hockey this year and seen a lot more pucks than the other two. I think he would pass . Holtby is not having a great playoff but Allen is a wall right now.
 
You'd think being in Paris would be more of a draw for some of these guys. I know NHL players are pretty wealthy but they're pretty limited in terms of personal travel time throughout the year. Personally if I've got an optional work meeting to attend I'd rather be sent to a global alpha city with my family than to a lesser known Scandanavian or Eastern European city (interesting as they are in their own right).
 
I was able to watch at most half of the first game, most of the first period and then parts of the second and third. Looked like a typical disjointed initial effort by Canada. Credit to Pickard for starting off well, and also to the Czech shooters for blowing some quality chances. The young guys looked good running around in the Czech zone, which is nice to see at a tournament like this. Glad to see them running basically the Philadelphia PP as well.
 
It was a pretty ugly win. They should have had more time in the offensive zone and possession instead of creating everything off the rush. Defensively, they were running around a lot and many times a Czech player got open because 2 players were on 1 player or somebody was puck watching.

It was the first game though and Czechs are probably a top 4 team in this tournament. Hopefully Cooper gets these guys playing good defence. At least Pickard playing well which is good to see.

I liked Konecny, Point, Scheifele, O'Reilly, and Giroux upfront though. The "4th line" was excellent, should see more ice-time.
 
garbageteam said:
You'd think being in Paris would be more of a draw for some of these guys. I know NHL players are pretty wealthy but they're pretty limited in terms of personal travel time throughout the year. Personally if I've got an optional work meeting to attend I'd rather be sent to a global alpha city with my family than to a lesser known Scandanavian or Eastern European city (interesting as they are in their own right).
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Paris is going to be a ****show after the election this weekend. On the TSN broadcast, Dregger said the Canadian team is rolling with two armed security guards at all times. I think the threat of anything happening is relatively low but it's enough to keep certain guys away.
 
Bear12Good said:
Good game.

Better then in gimmick Wcup16
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I'll never understand why people were so against the World Cup. People were openly hostile to an international tournament featuring the best players in the world after three months of nothing but baseball on tv. If they had included Germany and Switzerland instead of the gimmick teams would you have been more open to the tourney?

I enjoy the IIHF World's cause I love hockey but it's not best on best so it doesn't carry nearly as much weight for me.
 
WadeRedden said:
I'll never understand why people were so against the World Cup. People were openly hostile to an international tournament featuring the best players in the world after three months of nothing but baseball on tv. If they had included Germany and Switzerland instead of the gimmick teams would you have been more open to the tourney?
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Yes.

In addition to being silly, the gimmick teams also hobbled the US (and Canada to a lesser extent).

It's hard to consider it best on best when you've got Eichel and McDavid playing for a made-up team.

WadeRedden said:
I enjoy the IIHF World's cause I love hockey but it's not best on best so it doesn't carry nearly as much weight for me.
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It's a fun annual tournament and you get to see interesting rosters and line combinations.

That's why I like it.
 
WadeRedden said:
Paris is going to be a ****show after the election this weekend. On the TSN broadcast, Dregger said the Canadian team is rolling with two armed security guards at all times. I think the threat of anything happening is relatively low but it's enough to keep certain guys away.
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Yeah that's indeed true, but amongst teams in the Elite division it's probably the most "enticing" city to hold the tournament. I mean, you could put it in Milan or Rome but Italy isn't exactly a hockey hotbed. Prague, Cologne, Zurich or Vienna just doesn't quite hold the same weight or draw.

WadeRedden said:
I'll never understand why people were so against the World Cup. People were openly hostile to an international tournament featuring the best players in the world after three months of nothing but baseball on tv. If they had included Germany and Switzerland instead of the gimmick teams would you have been more open to the tourney?

I enjoy the IIHF World's cause I love hockey but it's not best on best so it doesn't carry nearly as much weight for me.
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The joke teams were basically the only problem I have with it. It's also the prime issue many of us take with the NHL withdrawing from the Olympics - there is no replacement tournament. I know some people call it "exciting" to have U23s, but the team severely crippled the American team, and it's completely arbitrary - putting together a team with no provenance or reason for existing. The tournament wasn't "best on best" - what does that even mean? - It was a glorified ASG. "Best-on-best" countries hardly got to play each other in a meaningful way, aside from the one Canada-Russia semifinal game which was a trouncing.

Whoever proposed these Mickey Mouse Allstar Game teams really should never, ever be in a management or organizational capacity for a hockey function again. What an international disgrace :shakehead

If they remove them (and frankly scrub the awful 2016 tournament from the record books) I'd welcome a World Cup with open arms.
 
I'm not sure why people seem to think that Canada sucked defensively. The Czechs had a couple of good chances, every better team has that, they are not Australia. I just watched Canada-Latvia yesterday, the sochi olympic QFs, for all how we all refer to that tournament as being the best from canadian defense EVER, Latvia had a couple of great chances in that game. And by couple I don't mean two, but probably more than 10. I guess we were bad defensively there too? Of course this game was more even, but still, we played pretty well defensively in my opinion. And by defensively I don't mean just defensemen in their own zone, but also backchecking, penalty killings, and yes, also defensemen in their own zone. The "horribleness" of our defense is ridiculously and emotionaly exaggerated here, as is literally everything everytime here. The two-way play of the whole team was pretty good.
 
garbageteam said:
Yeah that's indeed true, but amongst teams in the Elite division it's probably the most "enticing" city to hold the tournament. I mean, you could put it in Milan or Rome but Italy isn't exactly a hockey hotbed. Prague, Cologne, Zurich or Vienna just doesn't quite hold the same weight or draw.



The joke teams were basically the only problem I have with it. It's also the prime issue many of us take with the NHL withdrawing from the Olympics - there is no replacement tournament. I know some people call it "exciting" to have U23s, but the team severely crippled the American team, and it's completely arbitrary - putting together a team with no provenance or reason for existing. The tournament wasn't "best on best" - what does that even mean? - It was a glorified ASG. "Best-on-best" countries hardly got to play each other in a meaningful way, aside from the one Canada-Russia semifinal game which was a trouncing.

Whoever proposed these Mickey Mouse Allstar Game teams really should never, ever be in a management or organizational capacity for a hockey function again. What an international disgrace :shakehead

If they remove them (and frankly scrub the awful 2016 tournament from the record books) I'd welcome a World Cup with open arms.
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Fwiw, most of the players talk about Prague like it's Vegas or something. I heard an unbelievable amount of positive things after the tourney there a few years ago.

Also, I'm not even entirely sure that the American team was that hurt by it. With Bryan Burke and Dean Lombardi at the helm do you honestly think they'd ever pick a guy like Matthews (no NHL experience) or someone as small as Goudreau? Remember, they left Tyler Johnson off the team. Those guys are dinosaurs and I think had there been no NA Team they'd still have picked guys like Dubinsky and Abdelkader over younger, more talented guys because of #grit and #intangibles. They'd probably have taken Seth Jones but even then, that team was doomed to fail because of management.
 
WadeRedden said:
Paris is going to be a ****show after the election this weekend. On the TSN broadcast, Dregger said the Canadian team is rolling with two armed security guards at all times. I think the threat of anything happening is relatively low but it's enough to keep certain guys away.
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Yes, I imagine that the situation in Paris was a negative for guys with families. For players it isn't a concern, but for guys with wives and kids I can see how they would be put off.

WadeRedden said:
I'll never understand why people were so against the World Cup. People were openly hostile to an international tournament featuring the best players in the world after three months of nothing but baseball on tv. If they had included Germany and Switzerland instead of the gimmick teams would you have been more open to the tourney?

I enjoy the IIHF World's cause I love hockey but it's not best on best so it doesn't carry nearly as much weight for me.
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The World Cup was rendered a joke tournament the moment they blocked some countries (Canada and USA) from selecting some of their best players and inserted two non-national teams into a supposedly "international" tournament. That the NHL openly admitted that the success of that tournament came at the expense of NHL Olympic participation only gave further reason to be against such an idiotic idea. Whether Germany and Switzerland were there is irrelevant, since they could have simply run the tournament with six teams. Turning a formerly best on best tournament into a meaningless all star exhibition was terrible.

Connor McDaigle said:
I've been low key hoping for the Brooks Bandits (Cale Makar's team) to get knocked out of their RBC Cup chase to see Makar on the world stage but they're just too dominant.
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Even if Makar was miraculously invited to participate, which would be unprecedented for a defenceman not in consideration for the number one spot, he would be the worst defenceman on the team and would probably never touch the ice.

True Hockey Fan said:
I'm not sure why people seem to think that Canada sucked defensively. The Czechs had a couple of good chances, every better team has that, they are not Australia. I just watched Canada-Latvia yesterday, the sochi olympic QFs, for all how we all refer to that tournament as being the best from canadian defense EVER, Latvia had a couple of great chances in that game. And by couple I don't mean two, but probably more than 10. I guess we were bad defensively there too? Of course this game was more even, but still, we played pretty well defensively in my opinion. And by defensively I don't mean just defensemen in their own zone, but also backchecking, penalty killings, and yes, also defensemen in their own zone. The "horribleness" of our defense is ridiculously and emotionaly exaggerated here, as is literally everything everytime here. The two-way play of the whole team was pretty good.
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I can't comment on the whole game for Canada today, though from what I saw the team was disorganized, though that is typical of Canada at this tournament and not worth concern yet. In no universe though did Latvia have more than 10 great scoring chances against Canada at the 2014 Olympics. That's insanity.
 
garbageteam said:
Yeah that's indeed true, but amongst teams in the Elite division it's probably the most "enticing" city to hold the tournament. I mean, you could put it in Milan or Rome but Italy isn't exactly a hockey hotbed. Prague, Cologne, Zurich or Vienna just doesn't quite hold the same weight or draw.
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Paris sucks. I'd rather go to Prague, Zurich or Vienna (haven't been to Cologne) any day than Paris.
 
Comrie and Lee attended the game with Hockey Canada. I don't remember Hockey Canada keeping insurance players around once the tournament started before.
 
True Hockey Fan said:
I'm not sure why people seem to think that Canada sucked defensively. The Czechs had a couple of good chances, every better team has that, they are not Australia. I just watched Canada-Latvia yesterday, the sochi olympic QFs, for all how we all refer to that tournament as being the best from canadian defense EVER, Latvia had a couple of great chances in that game. And by couple I don't mean two, but probably more than 10. I guess we were bad defensively there too? Of course this game was more even, but still, we played pretty well defensively in my opinion. And by defensively I don't mean just defensemen in their own zone, but also backchecking, penalty killings, and yes, also defensemen in their own zone. The "horribleness" of our defense is ridiculously and emotionaly exaggerated here, as is literally everything everytime here. The two-way play of the whole team was pretty good.
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I'd say Canada defense yesterday was okay not great. They seemed to struggle to get the puck out of their own zone and the Czech's attack was just too much for them to handle. I thought they did well keeping Czech to the outside though.
 
Busy watching NHL playoffs, so I just today looked at Canada's roster. Was wondering what the story on Taylor Hall is. Left off , nursing some injuries. Or just good management.
 
big ape said:
Busy watching NHL playoffs, so I just today looked at Canada's roster. Was wondering what the story on Taylor Hall is. Left off , nursing some injuries. Or just good management.[/QUOTE]

and Taylor Hall being a major contributor in the last 2 WHC Gold was what, bad team management?

He's nursing injuries and deserved a full summer of R&R. He made it quite clear weeks before the season ended that, he's banged up and would skip the WHC this year if asked. Hockey Canada got the message and never asked. However, I wish he were in Paris with the team. We'd be lucky to have him.

You should let it go.

but once Anaheim finishes off Edmonton in the next few days, Connor would be a welcomed addition.
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WadeRedden said:
I'll never understand why people were so against the World Cup. People were openly hostile to an international tournament featuring the best players in the world after three months of nothing but baseball on tv. If they had included Germany and Switzerland instead of the gimmick teams would you have been more open to the tourney?

I enjoy the IIHF World's cause I love hockey but it's not best on best so it doesn't carry nearly as much weight for me.
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Because people are sheep and follow the same narative. The tournament was fun, especially with having the fully stacked canada lineup and north america was amazing.
 
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