WJC: 2017 Sweden Roster Talk

[VictorLustig]

A pretty meh performance against Denmark, this is usually how the 1st game looks like though. The defense worries me a bit, Larsson doesn't look like a difference maker and Kylington constantly skates into trouble. As good as Dahlin was, a 16 year old can't be our best D-man in the important games. Thought Gunnarsson and Carlsson looked pretty solid.

Want to see more from Pettersson and Andersson, they need to be more than just solid.

 

[YourAverageFan*]

A pretty meh performance against Denmark, this is usually how the 1st game looks like though. The defense worries me a bit, Larsson doesn't look like a difference maker and Kylington constantly skates into trouble. As good as Dahlin was, a 16 year old can't be our best D-man in the important games. Thought Gunnarsson and Carlsson looked pretty solid.

Want to see more from Pettersson and Andersson, they need to be more than just solid.

Kylington played excellent today. I watched the whole game and there was only 2 or 3 shifts where Kylington struggled. Also led Sweden in time on ice. Didn't look bad at all

 

[novon04]

Thoughts from the first game:

Asplund was a disappointment, didn't stand out at all.

Andersson looks too slow to play centre, move him to wing. His line also had big problems establishing any pressure in the offensive zone. Pettersson struggled with the physical part of the game, but got a bit better later in the game.

Dahlén is dangerous when he gets space to shoot.

Filip Ahl is big but slow and he actually can't pass.

Fredrik Karlström is probably the most underrated forward on this team. Didn't get many minutes in this game, should play more.

David Bernhardt seems to be another underrated player, he was alright defensively and moved the puck to the forwards really well.

Rasmus Dahlin is super talented. I expect him to have a few bad give aways in this tournament though since he likes to hang on to the puck.

 

[The Head Crusher]

They need to play Dahlin more.

 

[ulvvf]

Kylington played excellent today. I watched the whole game and there was only 2 or 3 shifts where Kylington struggled. Also led Sweden in time on ice. Didn't look bad at all

I agree, Kylington was great both offensivly and defensivly, one of the best players on the ice easily. Moves the puck very well, if he continue playing like this I am pleased. I do not know which Carlsson he refers to, Gabriel was bad, Lucas was okish.

 

[ulvvf]

Thoughts from the first game:

Asplund was a disappointment, didn't stand out at all.

Andersson looks too slow to play centre, move him to wing. His line also had big problems establishing any pressure in the offensive zone. Pettersson struggled with the physical part of the game, but got a bit better later in the game.

Dahlén is dangerous when he gets space to shoot.

Filip Ahl is big but slow and he actually can't pass.

Fredrik Karlström is probably the most underrated forward on this team. Didn't get many minutes in this game, should play more.

David Bernhardt seems to be another underrated player, he was alright defensively and moved the puck to the forwards really well.

Rasmus Dahlin is super talented. I expect him to have a few bad give aways in this tournament though since he likes to hang on to the puck.

Asplund bad? I think he was one of the best on the ice.

I agree most of the rest.

Bernhardt feels like a better version of Gabriel Carlsson.

 

[Jarey Curry]

Interesting. So confirmed by Swedes with knowledge, Dahlin > Liljegren,

I see Tre Kronor are LHS heavy. For Canada to overcome that we need relentless forecheck.

I have Tre Kronor as the most talented. However, 7 LHD can create problems. If Canada plays a relentless wave after wave heart and soul style Canadian way, we can punish the Swedish D.

Is Liljegren really that bad? I mean Dahlin is probably very good already but I just wonder how the next draft's top D wont be able to fit in the line up... "Fine year" for my avs to suck I guess ;D

 

[gretskidoo]

Is Liljegren really that bad? I mean Dahlin is probably very good already but I just wonder how the next draft's top D wont be able to fit in the line up... "Fine year" for my avs to suck I guess ;D

He should be on the team.

 

[ulvvf]

Is Liljegren really that bad? I mean Dahlin is probably very good already but I just wonder how the next draft's top D wont be able to fit in the line up... "Fine year" for my avs to suck I guess ;D

That he got sick in mono probably played a big part in it, but I think he should have got a invite to the camp, but swedish coaches do not seem to like to cut players therefore they usually go with small teams I think, they also invited more from NA now since it is played in NA, that is why I think Moverare was there over Liljegren. Sometimes it has not so much to do with the player as it has got to do with the coach, a player can be great but in the end it is up to the coach.

 

[mindfly]

I'm shocked Liljegren isn't there, isn't he a lock for this team?

 

[joe89]

Asplund and Larsson are probably the guys I'm looking to get a little bit more out of going forward. But they're also players I feel get better in tighter games so no worries at this stage.

Eriksson Ek and Nylander have been going at half speed(and been rather sparsely used) both against Russia and Denmark, yet still producing. If they're saving the best for last they'll have a heck of a tournament. I see the thought behind Ahl playing alongside them, but I think someone else could make the line even more dynamic.

Have a hard time seeing Dahlin staying as #7, he's too good.

 

[Jarey Curry]

That he got sick in mono probably played a big part in it, but I think he should have got a invite to the camp, but swedish coaches do not seem to like to cut players therefore they usually go with small teams I think, they also invited more from NA now since it is played in NA, that is why I think Moverare was there over Liljegren. Sometimes it has not so much to do with the player as it has got to do with the coach, a player can be great but in the end it is up to the coach.

I get that that's the way it is, but that's not how it should be especially if they want Liljegren to have the chance to shine and fight for #1 oa. A top 5 draft player should be a lock for this tournament

 

[Dosing]

Just watched the replay. Really worried about Kylington. Misstake after misstake all game long. And he just continues to try the cute stuff that he obviously isn't good enough to pull off. Classic case of thinking your better then you really are.

If no improvement I would seriously bench him in the finals. The better teams will be on him like sharks

 

[MrStench]

Just watched the replay. Really worried about Kylington. Misstake after misstake all game long. And he just continues to try the cute stuff that he obviously isn't good enough to pull off. Classic case of thinking your better then you really are.

If no improvement I would seriously bench him in the finals. The better teams will be on him like sharks

Him and Bernhardt struggled with the forecheck and a couple of times coughed the puck up without any pressure. It doesn't bode well for the rest of the tournament, but it's hardly revelatory. They're risky players, and they were presumably picked because Montén thinks the good will outweigh the bad.

 

[YourAverageFan*]

Just watched the replay. Really worried about Kylington. Misstake after misstake all game long. And he just continues to try the cute stuff that he obviously isn't good enough to pull off. Classic case of thinking your better then you really are.

If no improvement I would seriously bench him in the finals. The better teams will be on him like sharks

Kylington was Sweden's best D-man in their first game. He only had 2 bad shifts by my count. Yes, he tries to get a little too cute sometimes but you gotta take the good with the bad. It's obvious he's Sweden's #1 D-man. Played the most minutes, played on the #1 PP unit and #2 PK unit. He was great in the first game aside from a few errors

 

[ulvvf]

Pettersson and Andersson was a lot better in this game than in the first game, but I still expect more.

Btw would swedes trade Dahlin for Laine? Dahlin is maybe a even bigger talent than Laine, but in a different position and swedes seems to want elite young forwards. Personally I do not think it matters, since by the time Dahlin enter his peak our best d today will have started to become very old.

 

[Replay]

Just watched the replay. Really worried about Kylington. Misstake after misstake all game long. And he just continues to try the cute stuff that he obviously isn't good enough to pull off. Classic case of thinking your better then you really are.

If no improvement I would seriously bench him in the finals. The better teams will be on him like sharks

This is what worries me as a flames fan. Every game I've seen him play in is the same. Multiple scoring chances against. It doesn't matter how many dangles or scoring chances for that he creates, he turns the puck over way too much in the offensive zone. His board play is pretty bad too. Rasmus Andersson will be the better player.

 

[VictorLustig]

This is what worries me as a flames fan. Every game I've seen him play in is the same. Multiple scoring chances against. It doesn't matter how many dangles or scoring chances for that he creates, he turns the puck over way too much in the offensive zone. His board play is pretty bad too. Rasmus Andersson will be the better player.

He just doesn't know when to keep it simple and when to turn on the jets. Can't afford to have a player make one terrible play for every good play, good teams will take advantage. His good plays rarely results in goals and that's perhaps the biggest problem.

 

[YourAverageFan*]

This is what worries me as a flames fan. Every game I've seen him play in is the same. Multiple scoring chances against. It doesn't matter how many dangles or scoring chances for that he creates, he turns the puck over way too much in the offensive zone. His board play is pretty bad too. Rasmus Andersson will be the better player.

He just doesn't know when to keep it simple and when to turn on the jets. Can't afford to have a player make one terrible play for every good play, good teams will take advantage. His good plays rarely results in goals and that's perhaps the biggest problem.

I'm not worried about Kylington at all. His skating and puckhandling are already elite and he's grown so much defensively in the last year.

Yes, he makes lots of risky plays and sometimes that leads to chances against, but I'd rather him be confident enough to make those plays than do what 90% of all other hockey players do and be too afraid to take those same risks because they're afraid they'll get benched by the coach.

Kylington could very easily stop making those plays and look just like every other D-man out there. But I'm glad he doesn't, because it makes for fun and exciting hockey. Coaches have made hockey so dull these days that it gets boring to watch sometimes. But players like Kylington are what provide hope for the future. They're the players who are confident enough in their abilities (even if lots of his moves don't work out) that they make the game exciting.

He'll definitely take some of those risky plays he makes out of his game as he continues to progress but for the most part, I'm very happy he hasn't completely changed his game and shifted to playing a typical boring style that is so common in today's D-men.

Also, I think people have been extra negative on Kylington these first two games because he gets the most ice time among all Sweden players and combine that with the way he plays the game, it's IMPOSSIBLE not to notice him so it's easy to pick him apart considering a player who plays as much as he does is bound to make some mistakes.

 

[docbenton]

I'm not worried about Kylington at all. His skating and puckhandling are already elite and he's grown so much defensively in the last year.

Yes, he makes lots of risky plays and sometimes that leads to chances against, but I'd rather him be confident enough to make those plays than do what 90% of all other hockey players do and be too afraid to take those same risks because they're afraid they'll get benched by the coach.

Kylington could very easily stop making those plays and look just like every other D-man out there. But I'm glad he doesn't, because it makes for fun and exciting hockey. Coaches have made hockey so dull these days that it gets boring to watch sometimes. But players like Kylington are what provide hope for the future. They're the players who are confident enough in their abilities (even if lots of his moves don't work out) that they make the game exciting.

He'll definitely take some of those risky plays he makes out of his game as he continues to progress but for the most part, I'm very happy he hasn't completely changed his game and shifted to playing a typical boring style that is so common in today's D-men.

Also, I think people have been extra negative on Kylington these first two games because he gets the most ice time among all Sweden players and combine that with the way he plays the game, it's IMPOSSIBLE not to notice him so it's easy to pick him apart considering a player who plays as much as he does is bound to make some mistakes.

He makes the game exciting for the other team...

He skates great and has decent hands but doesn't have the smarts to be an offensive catalyst despite being a 19yo at a U20 tournament. Dahlin should replace him on the PP already, better hands, better shot, better IQ, and all those things right now. Plus he doesn't turn the puck over.

 

[EK47]

Kylington just doesn't think the game well enough, he doesn't see when the outcome of a risky play is good enough to be worth the risk. Until he figures some of this out I'd rather they just not play him because it's too much of a gamble when a risky player like this doesn't have the mind.

 

[VictorLustig]

I'm not worried about Kylington at all. His skating and puckhandling are already elite and he's grown so much defensively in the last year.

Yes, he makes lots of risky plays and sometimes that leads to chances against, but I'd rather him be confident enough to make those plays than do what 90% of all other hockey players do and be too afraid to take those same risks because they're afraid they'll get benched by the coach.

Kylington could very easily stop making those plays and look just like every other D-man out there. But I'm glad he doesn't, because it makes for fun and exciting hockey. Coaches have made hockey so dull these days that it gets boring to watch sometimes. But players like Kylington are what provide hope for the future. They're the players who are confident enough in their abilities (even if lots of his moves don't work out) that they make the game exciting.

He'll definitely take some of those risky plays he makes out of his game as he continues to progress but for the most part, I'm very happy he hasn't completely changed his game and shifted to playing a typical boring style that is so common in today's D-men.

Also, I think people have been extra negative on Kylington these first two games because he gets the most ice time among all Sweden players and combine that with the way he plays the game, it's IMPOSSIBLE not to notice him so it's easy to pick him apart considering a player who plays as much as he does is bound to make some mistakes.

No, he can't. That's the big problem here.

Now, I'm not saying Kylington has been terrible in these two games. He's been decent but could get exposed big time against the better teams.

 

[VictorLustig]

The good against the Swiss:
- Veterans (Eriksson Ek, Grundström, Asplund, Carlsson's)
- Lias Andersson
- Skellefteå boys (minus Söderlunds penalties)
- Penalties
- Coaching

The bad:
- Sandström
- Larsson (Get him off the PP and 1st PK)
- Nylander (Most of the time)
- PK & PP

Pettersson doesn't get much done offensively but he's playing a very responsible game .

 

[Eye of Ra]

Filip Ahl is a mysterium. He brings nothing to the table. He just exists on the ice doing nothing. Jonathan Davidsson should have made the team instead.

 

[wwvdw]

I really don't get why Bernhardt made it and they leave Liljegren at home. I know he had mono earlier this year but he's playing for Rögle again so it shouldn't be an issue anymore. Bernhardt doesn't bring anything to the table the other players don't have whereas Liljegren besides being a better player in general is a righty which we could really use in this team. If you have doubts about his fitness invite him to camp and evaluate.