WJC: 2017 Russia Roster Talk

[snipes]

You are making an anecdotal argument based on 1 or 2 very talented guys who do well enough to advance to the NHL. I think moving to NA hurt Zadorov - he has never reached what his clear potential is! Provorov is a very talented player, but we'll see what his trajectory is. If they start sending him down to the AHL, as they did with Zadorov, he will start to lose confidence and digress.

If the goal is to play in the NHL, and you separate defense from offense, then there might be added benefit to learning the game on the small NA ice. But, as of yet, there are no "success models" for going to the CHL, but a lot of unexpected failures.

Perhaps with forwards. I think defenceman are worth distinguishing. 5 of 12 Russian NHL Dmen who played NHL games this year played junior hockey in the Canadian Hockey League at some point.

The two best Russian D prospects in years (Provorov and Sergachev) both spent time playing in Canada. Upcoming good Russian D prospects Minulin, Zborovsky, and Dmitri Zaitsev are developing in the WHL and look to be very good D men. The WHL is renown for producing high quality NHL D men.

I think it might be worth looking at how the CHL can benefit Russian D men in their development. There is good evidence to support it. I enjoyed watching Provorov many times over the last couple of seasons, as I have said he had the best season I've seen out of a WHL D man last year in many years.

 

[4thline]

I think Chebykin should be there, for Korostelev it depends if he will be good in the Canada/Russia series games, Bobylev - unlikely to make it.

Yeah, from here it looks rather different.Chebykin is a safer pick. Korostelev has to be at his best in the Russia-Canada-series to get a spot. And I trust Bragin's judgement. There was some uproar when he left Scherbak a first rounder off the WJC roster after the Subway Super Series then. And look now, Scherbak can't find a way out of AHL.(Another example of a russian prospect leaving Russia at the wrong time).

The series will be do or die for the CHL guys. They have 2 games to impress. Hopefully they understand that.

For north american conspircy theories fans. There is no bias for choosing players from Russia or the CHL. There is such thing as exposure obviously. The coaching staff has more input on players playing in the MHL/VHL/KHL obviously, but in the end they follow all prospects for quite some time now and their current performance will have a major impact on the decision.

The two tunaments(4-Nations in Europe and the Canada-Russia-Series) will give the last balance shifts before the WJC.

Interesting, thanks.

With the bold in mind though it's really looking like Korostelev has finally put it all together and taken big strides this season. In Leaf rookie and training camps and so far in the OHL he's looked like an elite prospect and dominant offensive force at the junior level.

Is Chebykin close to seeing KHL time or is the KHL/VHL relationship more like SHL/Alvenskan with relegation instead of affiliation?

 

[MaxV]

I still expect Rubtsov to make it, he plays the game Bragin's way, but there is a lot of competition at center.

Kvartalnov and Alexeyev both made strong cases yesterday.

 

[Atas2000]

Interesting, thanks.

With the bold in mind though it's really looking like Korostelev has finally put it all together and taken big strides this season. In Leaf rookie and training camps and so far in the OHL he's looked like an elite prospect and dominant offensive force at the junior level.

Is Chebykin close to seeing KHL time or is the KHL/VHL relationship more like SHL/Alvenskan with relegation instead of affiliation?

Chebykin is in the same system as Kostin meaning in Dynamo Mocow which is well stacked so KHL time isn't going to be thrwn at them.

The KHL/VHL system is affiliation. Dynamo would call them up if they feel lke it.

 

[4thline]

Chebykin is in the same system as Kostin meaning in Dynamo Mocow which is well stacked so KHL time isn't going to be thrwn at them.

The KHL/VHL system is affiliation. Dynamo would call them up if they feel lke it.

Thanks again

 

[HamiltonOHL]

Question... how does this work the Russia team that takes part in the 6 CHL games is that pretty much their team for WJC? or just like Team canada like their selection camp?

 

[MaxV]

Question... how does this work the Russia team that takes part in the 6 CHL games is that pretty much their team for WJC? or just like Team canada like their selection camp?

No, these are just some of the candidates for the team trying to make an impression.

Several players that have already all but assured roster spots at WJC played at the 4-Nations tournament.

 

[KarIgo87]

No, these are just some of the candidates for the team trying to make an impression.

Several players that have already all but assured roster spots at WJC played at the 4-Nations tournament.

To be more specific, the first line: Polunin-Vorobyov-Kaprizov; Rykov-Sidorov. Also Voronkov (D) and Samsonov (G). Maybe Kudako, Chebykin or somebody else, but I doubt it'll be more than those two. 7-9 guys.
So it's 2/3 of our future WJC team in Canada now.

 

[Atas2000]

To be more specific, the first line: Polunin-Vorobyov-Kaprizov; Rykov-Sidorov. Also Voronkov (D) and Samsonov (G). Maybe Kudako, Chebykin or somebody else, but I doubt it'll be more than those two. 7-9 guys.
So it's 2/3 of our future WJC team in Canada now.

"Problem" being those you named will be the core expected to carry the team offensively, defensively and in goal.

The series in Canada is basically for:

-figuring out another scoring line

-sorting out slow, unreliable defencemen which I think already has been penciled down by Bragin

-make the bodies battle for spots on the 4th line

-finding a proper backup for Samsonov.

I actually don't see overwhelming talent on that extended roster in Canada so far except for Kostin as an underager, who looks rather decent at U20 level and might be the player to watch next year.

Sergachev was alricght, so we will have more than one pairing capable at WJC.

Let's hope Abramov hasn't regressed much in NA. He has regressed from what he was in Russia.

 

[Atas2000]

Question... how does this work the Russia team that takes part in the 6 CHL games is that pretty much their team for WJC? or just like Team canada like their selection camp?

In recent years the best players which most of time happen to be KHL reulars by that time aren't participating in the series. Also there is a U20 tournament in Europe at the same time. So basically candidates are split in two teams. Also the canadian series roster is extended to around 30 players beyond the CHLers that join. So there is rotation and evaluation.

I guess it is basically the same for every nation. The locks are obvious. And then there is a wide pool of similar candidates to fill out the rest of the roster where a lot will have to do with the coaching staff's preferences and strategies and the current performance of course. That's what the pre-tournaments are for.

So far I see it like this. Russia has it's botom 6 on the offence in the CHL series, Sergachev and the bottom pairing D-men as well as a pretty even duo of backups.

 

[Yakushev72]

"Problem" being those you named will be the core expected to carry the team offensively, defensively and in goal.

The series in Canada is basically for:

-figuring out another scoring line

-sorting out slow, unreliable defencemen which I think already has been penciled down by Bragin

-make the bodies battle for spots on the 4th line

-finding a proper backup for Samsonov.

I actually don't see overwhelming talent on that extended roster in Canada so far except for Kostin as an underager, who looks rather decent at U20 level and might be the player to watch next year.

Sergachev was alricght, so we will have more than one pairing capable at WJC.

Let's hope Abramov hasn't regressed much in NA. He has regressed from what he was in Russia.

Based on his performance yesterday, Abramov has fully regressed, and won't be with the team in the 2017 WJC.

 

[Atas2000]

Based on his performance yesterday, Abramov has fully regressed, and won't be with the team in the 2017 WJC.

How many of those young idiots we have to lose until they realize they are making a mistake by leaving early?

 

[Yakushev72]

How many of those young idiots we have to lose until they realize they are making a mistake by leaving early?

A very good question! In my opinion, the very definition of a waste of time is a player like Abramov, who is highly skilled, maybe gifted, but very small, to go to NA, where the ice is smaller, and where the biggest assets are considered to be size and a heavy shot, neither of which he has. He would be much better off staying in Russia, and playing on big ice, where his main personal assets could be fully developed. He reminds me of Tolchinsky - talented, skilled, and dynamic, but with no future at all playing with the big bruisers of the NHL.

 

[MaxV]

I hope someone impressed in the 4-nations.

 

[Kshahdoo]

So Guryanov is PPG in his last games in the AHL, and Smirnov is tearing up NCAA. I hope they will get a chance to get on the team.

 

[Atas2000]

So Guryanov is PPG in his last games in the AHL, and Smirnov is tearing up NCAA. I hope they will get a chance to get on the team.

Guryanov is consistent in one thing, doing something stupid to miss a WJC. In case you wonder, leaving Lada was the stupidity he did this time. He knew he will be in the AHL and thus not in the Canada Russia Series. He is most likely out of the picture.

Tearing up NCAA isn't a free ride to WJC.

If they both wanted a chance they should have made different decisions in the past.

 

[Atas2000]

No surprises from Bragin.

He explicitely named Sergachev and Zborovskiy as locks for the WJC. Also mentioned that some CHL players disapponted. From my POV I would keep it at that. Those two were the only CHL players who made a positive impression during the series.

According to Bragin 7-8 spots up for grabs still. 28 players from Russia to attend camp on 17th December in Novogorsk. After that some will be left behind and the team leaves for Canada to be joined by the CHL selects.

 

[MaxV]

Roman Ivashov scored in KHL today. He was considered one of the favorites for this team in pre-season, maybe he can still make a case.

 

[Plastic Joseph]

Will Svechnikov make this team? Aready played at the world u18 last year and led the u17 in scoring this past October. 17 points in 13 USHL games and has the 2nd highest pts/game clip I believe.

 

[EXTRAS]

Any chance zhukenov makes it?

 

[Yakushev72]

Will Svechnikov make this team? Aready played at the world u18 last year and led the u17 in scoring this past October. 17 points in 13 USHL games and has the 2nd highest pts/game clip I believe.

Good question, because there have been 16-year olds in the past who have starred at the WJC. Guys like Gretzky, Lemieux and Crosby, who were generational players. Svechnikov looks as if he could be a generational player for Russia, but it would be unlike Bragin to take the risk on a 16-year old. He usually loads up the lineup with 19-year olds.

 

[Atas2000]

Will Svechnikov make this team? Aready played at the world u18 last year and led the u17 in scoring this past October. 17 points in 13 USHL games and has the 2nd highest pts/game clip I believe.

No, like in not-a-chance. Nothing against Svechnikov, just what it is like from Bragin's perspective.

 

[Atas2000]

Any chance zhukenov makes it?

He wan't even invited for the Canada Russia Series, so - no.

 

[MaxV]

He wan't even invited for the Canada Russia Series, so - no.

Considering the performance of those that were invited, maybe it doesn't hurt to look at some other guys like Zhukenov, Ivashov or Artyomov.

 

[ValeriKamensky]

Korostelev - Vorobyev - Kaprizov - yeah I know about chemistry between Polunin-Vorobyev-Kaprizov, but they have not experience on the Canadian ice. Probably Korostelev, who has great physical abilitys and small ice`s experience, will be best option for this line

Polunin - Alexeyev - Guryanov(Sokolov) - Polunin and Alexeyev great playmaykers, they can create a chance. Guryanov and Sokolov have a letal shot, can play physical game. Probably Guryanov will be best option, cause he has experience to play against old enough players

Kostin - Trenin - Rubtsov - i like idea about double centre with Trenin and Rubtsov. They had a good chemistry in 1st game against Quebec, they complement each other. For example, Trenin show pretty good faceoffs(lack of Rubtsov`s game), Rubtsov has a good vision and playmayking abilitys. Also, Kostin and Rubtsov play together since August`s 4 Nation Tournament.

Popugayev - Kvartalnov - Belyaev - Kvartalnov and Belyaev both are typical "Bragin`s guys" - lack of creativity, but good character, always ready for battle. Popugayev can add size this team, and with his soft hands and smart decisions he can will be used in top 9

I don`t have many knowlege about defensive pairs, but obviously Sergachev, Rykov, Zborovsky will be on the board. I would have given a chance for Minulin and Yegor Zaytsev.

Keepers - it`s obviously. Samsonov number 1, Krasotkin and Sukhachev will be back up goalies.