WJC: 2017 Russia Roster Talk

[enj92]

There are so many good forwards eligible to play at WJC 2017, that it's almost impossible to predict bottom 6. Russian hockey program has at last started to work. It's not a Canadian level of depth of course, but I think we could probably send two teams to the tournament, and both won't suck.

Absolutely agree. Offensive depth is so strong this year for us. Also a lot of good defensive options.

 

[wings5]

Kaprizov and Vorobyov play on the same line in the KHL, no chances they will be separated at WJC.

Provorov will play in the NHL, so the 1st pair is probably Sergachev - Rykov. And don't forget about Timur Fatkullin.

Polunin, Rubtsov and Kostin will probably play on the same line, because it's a very Bragin line with two big and skillful 2-way guys and small, fast and creative puck magician.

Sokolov looks great in the first CHL games, so he will definitely be tested at the Superseries.

There are so many good forwards eligible to play at WJC 2017, that it's almost impossible to predict bottom 6. Russian hockey program has at last started to work. It's not a Canadian level of depth of course, but I think we could probably send two teams to the tournament, and both won't suck.

Yes I agree, many forwards have come and surprised in the CHL. Young players like Koltygin, Kozlov, Mikhin, Chekhovich have impressed at their young age in the Q for example. I believe though they wouldn't have such an impact in the WHL or OHL. Still they are among the best prospects in their league.

 

[Striiker]

Pretty funny that the Flyers, of all teams, would have drafted the two prospects who look likely to end up as the Russian 1C and 2C.

Plus Provorov as 1D if he was going to be unavailable (which he won't be).

 

[Curufinwe]

Looks like I'll be cheering for Russia again.

Provorov won't be there, but Sergachyov should be.

 

[Pominville Knows]

Does anyone know the roster for the upcoming U20 in Sweden?

 

[Caser]

4 Nations preliminary roster:

GK
Alexandr Samoylov
Ilya Samsonov
Konstantin Volkov

D
Dmitriy Alexeyev
Grigoriy Dronov
Timur Fatkullin
Ilya Karpukhin
Vadim Kudako
Nikita Makeyev
Ruslan Petrishchev
Yegor Rykov
Mikhail Sidorov
Denis Tsukanov
Yegor Voronkov

FW
Vladimir Bobylyov
Nikolay Chebykin
Nikita Dynyak
Yegor Fateyev
Kirill Kaprizov
Mikhail Kotlyarevskiy
Mikhail Maltsev
Alexandr Polunin
Maxim Rasseikin
Marsel Sholokhov
Igor Shvyryov
Danil Veryayev
Ivan Volodin
Mikhail Vorobyov



Canada/Russia Series preliminary roster:

GK
Anton Krasotkin
Vladislav Sukhachyov
Konstantin Volkov

D
Artyom Chmykhov
Grigoriy Dronov
Timur Fatkullin
Kamil Fazylzyanov
Artyom Minulin
Ruslan Petrishchev
Alexandr Shchemerov
Mikhail Sergachyov
Denis Tsukanov
Artyom Volkov
Dmitriy Zaitsev
Yegor Zaitsev
Sergey Zborovskiy

FW
Vitaliy Abramov
Denis Alexeyev
Kirill Belyayev
Nikolay Chebykin
Nikita Dynyak
Yegor Fateyev
Pavel Karnaukhov
Nikita Korostelev
Klim Kostin
Roman Krikunenko
Danila Kvartalnov
Nikita Li
Nikita A. Popugaev
German Rubtsov
Dmitriy Sokolov
Yakov Trenin
Artur Tyanulin
Kirill Urakov
Alexandr Volkov
Danil Yurtaikin

 

[Kshahdoo]

So Timur Fatkullin is in both lists.

And 4 Nations roster is way stronger.

 

[Caser]

So Timur Fatkullin is in both lists.

And 4 Nations roster is way stronger.

Those are preliminary rosters, so there are some 'duplicates' like Fatkullin, Chebykin, Volkov etc.

4 Nations is like locks+young guys, the Series roster has much more players that need to prove that they're good enough for the U20 WJC.

 

[Pavel Buchnevich]

Those are preliminary rosters, so there are some 'duplicates' like Fatkullin, Chebykin, Volkov etc.

4 Nations is like locks+young guys, the Series roster has much more players that need to prove that they're good enough for the U20 WJC.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but the players playing in NA are only on the Canada/Russia series roster, so maybe its more of a Russia/NA split that is based on where the players are playing their hockey.

 

[Caser]

Correct me if I'm wrong, but the players playing in NA are only on the Canada/Russia series roster, so maybe its more of a Russia/NA split that is based on where the players are playing their hockey.

There are only 9 CHL-ers on the roster (including Sergachyov, who might be still unavailable at that time).

 

[Atas2000]

Correct me if I'm wrong, but the players playing in NA are only on the Canada/Russia series roster, so maybe its more of a Russia/NA split that is based on where the players are playing their hockey.

Players playing in NA have to be on that roster as it is basically a CHL tournament + Russia's players Russia decides to send there to fill out the roster. In recent years russian depth improved much. Previous rosters were close to WJC roster+russian CHL players. Now it's the other way round. Russian CHLers + guys who still have to prove they belong on the WJC squad. Meaning that most russian CHLers will participate as always, but the players playing in Russia are basically non-locks.

 

[Caser]

Final roster and lines for the 4 Nations:

Rykov-Sidorov; Polunin-Vorobyov-Kaprizov
Voronkov-Kudako; Veryayev-Rasseikin-Kotlyarevskiy
Karpukhin-Makeyev; Sholokhov-Maltsev-Popov
Alexeyev-Tsukanov; Fateyev-Shvyryov-Chebykin

Samsonov, Volkov, Samoylov.

 

[Zaddy]

Final roster and lines for the 4 Nations:

Rykov-Sidorov; Polunin-Vorobyov-Kaprizov
Voronkov-Kudako; Veryayev-Rasseikin-Kotlyarevskiy
Karpukhin-Makeyev; Sholokhov-Maltsev-Popov
Alexeyev-Tsukanov; Fateyev-Shvyryov-Chebykin

Samsonov, Volkov, Samoylov.

Is there any first time draft-eligibles among these guys that are worth keeping an eye on? Or overagers that has a good chance of getting drafted this year? I'm not too familiar with russian prospects outside of the big names.

 

[Kshahdoo]

Is there any first time draft-eligibles among these guys that are worth keeping an eye on? Or overagers that has a good chance of getting drafted this year? I'm not too familiar with russian prospects outside of the big names.

Polunin is 19 yo undrafted, has 6+4 in 23 games in the KHL. Shvyryov isn't bad.

 

[Caser]

 

[Kshahdoo]

There was a time, when we didn't have enough players for a good team. Now we have enough players for a couple teams...

 

[KarIgo87]

Final roster and lines for the 4 Nations:

Rykov-Sidorov; Polunin-Vorobyov-Kaprizov
Voronkov-Kudako; Veryayev-Rasseikin-Kotlyarevskiy
Karpukhin-Makeyev; Sholokhov-Maltsev-Popov
Alexeyev-Tsukanov; Fateyev-Shvyryov-Chebykin

Samsonov, Volkov, Samoylov.

Looks like these guys are locks. Bragin said in his interview that this year there will be more Dmen from KHL 'cause they have lots of ice-time in their KHL teams. Then of course there will be Sergachev and I think Zborovskiy, he's a righty and we don't have many of those, only Sidorov and Fatkullin. Minulin is also right-handed and I really want him to crack the roster but I highly doubt it. Seems to me Russian coaches don't pay that much attention to handedness, but it would be nice to have more righties. He needs to impress Bragin in his 2 games and be significantly better then Fatkullin, Shchemerov, Dronov, Zaitsev and others. If he'll be even the same level as them I'm pretty sure Bragin will prefer KHL guys to 18 years old junior.

 

[snipes]

Russian posters have criticized the CHL heavily and Russian players coming to Canada so young. They argue it is better for Russian players to remain in Russia for their hockey training.

What do you guys think of Provorov and Sergachev receiving their training in Canada? Provorov played in western Canada. The WHL is known for producing NHL calibre defenceman and being the most physical Junior league in the world. We embrace the violent side of the game in Western Canada.

Russia has lacked elite Dmen lately. Is there an irony that the two best young Russian Defenceman trained in Canada and played in the Canadian Hockey League?

Perhaps coming over to Canada can benefit young Russians more than you guys are willing to acknowledge. Canadians love hockey, we take care of our hockey players and develop them properly.

 

[vorky]

European prospects should come to NA as fully developed players at the age of 20-22 or more.

 

[KarIgo87]

Loko line 2.0 looks really good in VHL. At this point I think Alexeev has an advantage over Rubtsov since he plays in a men's league while German struggled in KHL and VHL. I'm sure their whole line would be our best in the Series and that Alexeev and Yurtaikin will in the final roster. Krikunenko is the weakest link here since there's a serious competition among RWs: Guryanov, Tyanulin, Abramov, Popugaev, Kostin, Sokolov and others. Seems like Guryanov will need a miracle to be on the team, but I think he'll have his chance in exhibition games before WJC. It's a shame, really.
Now I have serious doubts not only about Trenin but also Abramov. I get that their team really weakened this season but -10? Last season he had +36. Bragin would prefer more defense-reliable winger.


Polunin-Vorobyov-Kaprizov
Korostelev(Sokolov)-Rubtsov-Popugaev(Tyanulin/Kostin/Abramov)
Yurtaikin-Alexeev-Krikunenko(Guryanov)
Chebykin-Karnukhov-Li

Rykov-Sidorov
Sergachev-Zborovskiy
Voronkov-Kudako
Shchemerov-Fatkullin(Minulin)

Something like that. 4th line is a crapshoot.

 

[KarIgo87]

Russian posters have criticized the CHL heavily and Russian players coming to Canada so young. They argue it is better for Russian players to remain in Russia for their hockey training.

What do you guys think of Provorov and Sergachev receiving their training in Canada? Provorov played in western Canada. The WHL is known for producing NHL calibre defenceman and being the most physical Junior league in the world. We embrace the violent side of the game in Western Canada.

Russia has lacked elite Dmen lately. Is there an irony that the two best young Russian Defenceman trained in Canada and played in the Canadian Hockey League?

Perhaps coming over to Canada can benefit young Russians more than you guys are willing to acknowledge. Canadians love hockey, we take care of our hockey players and develop them properly.

If you followed this ongoing argument than you should've known that many Russian posters also noted that Russian Dmen is another story and CHL can be good for their development. But forwards (especially small ones) should stay home and develop properly before coming to NA.
Also Provorov came to NA when he was like 14, it's a bit different than coming at 16-17.

 

[snipes]

If you followed this ongoing argument than you should've known that many Russian posters also noted that Russian Dmen is another story and CHL can be good for their development. But forwards (especially small ones) should stay home and develop properly before coming to NA.
Also Provorov came to NA when he was like 14, it's a bit different than coming at 16-17.

Canada develops the best Dmen in the world.

Provorov has adapted to life in Canada, his English is excellent. Sergachev as well has a good grasp of the English language.

Provorov playing on the prairies in Western Canada made him better. We play the toughest brand of hockey in the WHL, this style helped Provorov become the player he is today.

It is strange, perhaps the CHL is better for young tough Russian Dmen than it is for forwards coming over.

 

[KarIgo87]

Canada develops the best Dmen in the world.

Provorov has adapted to life in Canada, his English is excellent. Sergachev as well has a good grasp of the English language.

Provorov playing on the prairies in Western Canada made him better. We play the toughest brand of hockey in the WHL, this style helped Provorov become the player he is today.

It is strange, perhaps the CHL is better for young tough Russian Dmen than it is for forwards coming over.

It's not strange. Canada is really good at developing their Dmen while Russian junior coaches are poor at it. Best kids with the most potential become forwards, and those who skate badly and get behind go to defense. At least it was like that not long ago.

 

[snipes]

It's not strange. Canada is really good at developing their Dmen while Russian junior coaches are poor at it. Best kids with the most potential become forwards, and those who skate badly and get behind got to defense. At least it was like that not long ago.

That is the difference, we put our strongest and best players on defence. Our toughest players who have size and can skate play defence. Especially in Western Canada (the WHL -- the league Provorov played in), hockey players here play with ruthless effort.

On the prairies in Western Canada we like to hit, we like to fight, and we love the violence of hockey. Western Canada is home to Bobby Clarke, Mark Messier, Tiger Williams, Gordie Howe, and many more.

I guess small and soft Russian forwards should stay at home. Send us your biggest and toughest kids, Canada will develop them into good Dmen.

Small, soft forwards can stay at home. To survive in the Canadian Hockey League, those 16-18 year old kids need to be strong and tough. We do not accept weakness in Canadian hockey.

 

[MaxV]

That is the difference, we put our strongest and best players on defence. Our toughest players who have size and can skate play defence. Especially in Western Canada (the WHL -- the league Provorov played in), hockey players here play with ruthless effort.

On the prairies in Western Canada we like to hit, we like to fight, and we love the violence of hockey. Western Canada is home to Bobby Clarke, Mark Messier, Tiger Williams, Gordie Howe, and many more.

I guess small and soft Russian forwards should stay at home. Send us your biggest and toughest kids, Canada will develop them into good Dmen.

Small, soft forwards can stay at home. To survive in the Canadian Hockey League, those 16-18 year old kids need to be strong and tough. We do not accept weakness in Canadian hockey.

Yeah, ok.

5'-9" 165lbs Ivan Nikolishin dominated your western prairie.

I personally don't have as much issue as other Russian posters for Russians to go to CHL, but only if needed, not for 3 years and preferably at 18 or 19. If a player is not getting playing time at KHL or VHL, then CHL for a year is fine. But a guy like Nail Yakupov who was playing full time in KHL to go to CHL...