Whole game. You need to create much more changes to score more than one against NHl-level goalies. We were not playing a bad game; good energy and sticking to a plan. But unluckily current creativity, skill and decision making speed of our players is insufficient for generating world class offense. Defense is no problem, it's elite.
World Cup: 2016 World Cup-Team Finland II
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Whole game. You need to create much more changes to score more than one against NHl-level goalies. We were not playing a bad game; good energy and sticking to a plan. But unluckily current creativity, skill and decision making speed of our players is insufficient for generating world class offense. Defense is no problem, it's elite.
Not quite, see first post in PGT-thread, we outshot Sweden in every period.
Maybe we had the tools but not the toolbox?
I think lack of top notch D-men hurt here, just 1 top pairing would have been enough for us to get every third line have a better chance of getting into better places to make better plays
Now that was lacking, so it was harder to get attacking, and when we did were sort of stuck on the edges, too few guys found a way in between the Swedish defenders and Lundqvist - in front of the net the goals are scored and we didn't get there
And there well, we were up against the best or 2nd best defence in the world, so not surprising. In the past our saving grace has been a superstar like Selänne who always managed to score as he was just that good.
Now we only have the promise of that, in the future, but not today
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Oh please Laine had more than enough chances to score but didn't. His 5vs5 play was atrocious so he didn't deserve any more ice time. Koivu and Granlund were 3rd and 4th in NHL scoring last season so it's not like Finland has any better to offer. Barkov can look in the mirror too he didn't mesh with any player he played with.
As I said, the line hasn't worked at all throughout the tournament. It's been the most dysfunctional line for Finland overall. As such, the coaching choice of making only a single change(That still didn't fix it at all, likely a downgrade) is bad. As for Laine getting chances, a couple of them he did generate almost entirely on his own, but even with them the line wasn't functioning well. How many would he have had with a properly functioning line?
The line itself makes little sense. Aho is a support player, Barkov is a support player, Laine would be the finisher. There's no actual driver. Laine could drive play in the future but right now he cannot yet do it. Barkov would need 2 proper playmakers, as would Laine. Aho could function as a 3rd line finisher just fine and likely is a better option for that than most other Finns. But together they wouldn't work.
Then we get to the bolded. First of all, I disagree with that. Second, you have to maximize your assets, especially if your team has as few goal-scorers as they do. If you don't make your lines so that your only functional goal-scorers can be in the best possible position to succeed, you end up with games like the last one. It has nothing to do with "deserving" ice time, because in the end Finland has scored 1 goal in 2 games with their potentially best 2 goal-scorers stuck in bottom 6 on a line that doesn't work.
And heck, it's not like Finland even dominated that game. That's just an illusion. Against a Sweden that's playing like this Finland should have crushed them.
Sweden won in 5v5 Corsi. 54 vs 47. Not very dominant to me.
The only period Finland won was the third. Sweden almost doubled Finland's 5v5 corsi in the second period. Finland also had 24 5v5 shots and Sweden had 25.
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But the thing is that Laine isn't that goal-scorer on this level. He will be but he's not ready yet.
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Yeah, it is what it is, bhoys.
You know, my daddy always told me it will get a whole lot worse before it gets better. (Thin Red Line)
And so it is with Team Finland also. This is the rock bottom. This is the valley of darkness. Yet, there will be a time the darkness has been banished again and the sun is shining on the fruit trees carrying the sweetest of loads and all the flowers on the meadows blossom like at the end of a rainbow among fields of gold. Gold, bhoys, gold.
Since: What’s keepin’ us from reachin’ out and touchin’ the glory? (TRL)
Nothing, bhoys. Absolutely nothing.
And I saw this vision, premonition, in my dream last night. So, relax. Things are getting better from here onwards, like the private tells his daddy used tell him always. And they are or were right.
You know, my daddy always told me it will get a whole lot worse before it gets better. (Thin Red Line)
And so it is with Team Finland also. This is the rock bottom. This is the valley of darkness. Yet, there will be a time the darkness has been banished again and the sun is shining on the fruit trees carrying the sweetest of loads and all the flowers on the meadows blossom like at the end of a rainbow among fields of gold. Gold, bhoys, gold.
Since: What’s keepin’ us from reachin’ out and touchin’ the glory? (TRL)
Nothing, bhoys. Absolutely nothing.
And I saw this vision, premonition, in my dream last night. So, relax. Things are getting better from here onwards, like the private tells his daddy used tell him always. And they are or were right.
You still have to play as if he is because he has the potential to "click" over the course of a game or two whereas for the others we know that they no longer have any chance of "clicking", it's their level.
And actually, even now I'd pick Laine to finish over every single other Finnish player. The only one who IMO would be arguable would be Barkov, which leads us back to my point.
Well, yeah, though I don't think we have been that bad here considering the opposition. In any normal international tournament we wouldn't have even faced that freak team on speed but Slovakia or Switzerland. Anyway, it really will get better from here on - the future looks ever so promising!
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Is there any scenario if Finland wins their last game over Russia that Finland prolongs their tournament?
Yes, if Sweden wins also NA23 and goal differental is more than 8 goals.. Swe wins 4-1 and Fin wins 4-1
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We were never dominating or really creating that many high scoring chances.
I knew we woulnd't win this, but atleast try to get the max out of your lineup.
I'm disappointed in our vets as well, Koivu, Jokinen, Filppula, Lehtera, Korpi have done zero.
Hopefully they won't be seen in the next Olympics/World Cup.
It's a bit disappointing for me. I expected more from the Finns. There is now no excuse not having the best player available in the team. Ok, against Sweden it's not a shame to lose, but I thought they are able to beat the US-College boys. I was surprised that they could dominate the Finns so clearly giving the Finns no chance.
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Who said we were dominating? I just said Finns had more shots and scoring chances than Sweden which is a fact. So blaming Marjamaki over players is asinine. What more can Marjamaki do than create a system that allows players play better than the opponent which is stronger on paper? There's no proof that it would have happened if he had done what you guys would have wanted.
You have to respect the result. If everyone is going cold in these two games I would say it is more of a structural problem than issue with the player material. Even if Finland improved in that department it wasn't enough given how good Finland's centre options were. Who knows when that window for numerous capable Finnish centremen closes.
I am now watching the Leijonat Inside documentary. I do not think it is beneficial for the group dynamic to have Finnish superstars as advisors. You could see the amount of nodding among yes-yes-men, no matter how woolly the words were.
This is especially alarming when the head coach is one of meidän peli ideology. The same which has brought Finland two WJC golds and WJC gold medal this decade alone. So better bring in the leading players from the group which openly rebelled against the head coach of those days, Jukka Jalonen, who has brought Finland 2/3 of those gold medals...
I am now watching the Leijonat Inside documentary. I do not think it is beneficial for the group dynamic to have Finnish superstars as advisors. You could see the amount of nodding among yes-yes-men, no matter how woolly the words were.
This is especially alarming when the head coach is one of meidän peli ideology. The same which has brought Finland two WJC golds and WJC gold medal this decade alone. So better bring in the leading players from the group which openly rebelled against the head coach of those days, Jukka Jalonen, who has brought Finland 2/3 of those gold medals...
Yeah. I expect like 10 regular season NHL games and then the flood gates will open and Laine will start scoring a lot more and not loose pucks so often. Just need that adjustment period it seems. Hopefully he doesn't get injured or anything.
Exactly, I feel the same way. I don't envy Marjamäki's position for being the new NT coach and having to take at least some of their advice no matter what as Marjamäki himself openly said he wants everyone in the coaching staff to feel like they are being listened and not ignored. Marjamäki kinda dug his own grave for saying that kind of stuff publicly.
So I hope they just kick half of the advisors away. If NHL players play in the next Olympics, then don't use this many NHL vet advisors there. I mean these NHL vets were supposed to prepare us especially for the NA teams, USA & Young Guns but those games were disasters.
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I mentioned vets in my post as well and disappointment.
Do you think he got the max out of this roster?
I don't.
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