WC: 2016 Team Belarus
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Only 2 Canadians on the Belarus team? Not going all out loaded up with foreign imports like Kazakhstan.
correction, 3 Canadians.
correction, 3 Canadians.
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ozo
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They will be icing a handful of Russian born players as well, so technically they will be pretty loaded up with imports too.
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It is unreasonable to hope that KHL roster will suddenly lift countries national team in any other way than by naturalizing superiour talant. Hockey can only grow from grasroots, but it is hard to get things done when their top youth talant chooses to play for team Russia.
Belarus just lost 7 talented 17-19 years old players lake Karnaukhov (the older brother of the aforementioned goalie) and Kodola to Russia.
Would you name those Russians, please? Or you're just talking out of your ignorance? Demkov took Russian citizenship now and won't play for Belarus, Stepanov is easily replaceable, hopefully by Grabovski. Belarus just won against Switzerland with players mainly from the Extraleague. The whole defense is Belarus born (too bad Nick Bailen got injured though and Filichkin won't even make the team) and they also got Gotovets, Yevenko and Hrabarenka in the AHL.
Oh my, Latvians are permanently looking for a reasons why Belarus is always better at the recent WC.
Would you name those Russians, please? Or you're just talking out of your ignorance? Demkov took Russian citizenship now and won't play for Belarus, Stepanov is easily replaceable, hopefully by Grabovski. Belarus just won against Switzerland with players mainly from the Extraleague. The whole defense is Belarus born (too bad Nick Bailen got injured though and Filichkin won't even make the team) and they also got Gotovets, Yevenko and Hrabarenka in the AHL.
First one, every small nation deals with that, nothing new there.
Second point, "Belarus is always better at the recent WC" what on earth does that mean. "Always" implies multiple circumstances while "at the recent" implies single circumstance so I don't know where to begin with that.
Third, I have no love for the Latvian NT but they have no reason to be jealous of Belarus. Are they supposed to be jealous that they made the Olympic quarterfinal and Belarus didn't even qualify? The only B nation that fielded an "A team" last year was France so Latvia knew it wasn't going to be great last year and it still did fine.
What? Every nation?!!! Remind when in the history of hockey one country lost 7 young players to another in one year? What a drivel...
And to make it clear for you: Belarus finished 7th at the last 2 World championships. Latvia hasn't been a top-8 team for 6 years now.
LOL that you've mentioned Olympics. They have won only ONE of the five games they've played there and lost another 4. What a historical achievement to beat Swiss once. They have no idea how it feels when your small nation's team plays in the Olympics semifinals. Off course they are jealous. Since 2002.
You might stop by when you become a reasonable person.
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Have you ever stopped for a moment and wondered why some countries lose a lot more players than others? It's not bad luck. First of all losing players happens to every small country, but second, that's the product of leeching off another countries' system, Russia doesn't want Belarus to get strong, they're going to call up kids like Krikunenko, Kodola, Karnaukhov and stall your development. Latvia has done a great job of diversification of talent, as in they have kids playing everywhere so one power country can't stall their development. Other countries develop their local leagues. A pity party over poor development strategy really won't make a hockey program stronger.
Let us reminisce on 2002, lol you can do that. Also before 2 years ago it was 14th, 14th, 14th so thanks for the incomplete information. This is the topic for another forum but Latvian hockey is on a better development trajectory than Belorussian hockey and depending on if Denmark can draw NHL/AHL talent Latvia may have an easier draw to Pyeongchang so I don't see any reason to be jealous. Last year Latvia's team was like 60% complete it seemed, Ozo, Namejs, ya'll jealous?
ozo
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Just for fun as I really love seeing Belarus doing good, but you are asking for it.
So besides Platt and Lalande and soon Linglet from your past two glorious WC tournaments:
Koval
Mezin
Stasenko
Usenko
Karev
Demagin
Osipov
Ugarov
Kovyrshin
Stepanov
Yefimenko
So only eleven? Add three Canadians and you have two additions for every youngster lost, solid ratio. Another fun fact - in last last two tournaments only 20 minutes of the whole championship game time Belarus net was tended by player born on Belarussian soil.
There was a time when there was an intense competition going on between Latvia and Belarus, but that was back in the 90s/early 00s.
I usually get fired up when someone talks like that about the Latvian national team, but this guy is so out of touch, I don't even know where to start. I'm mostly confused right now, to be honest.
First of all, I truly don't know anyone in Latvia who would be jealous of Belarus, and, in fact, most people in Latvia bring up Belarus as an example of what path not to take in terms of developing our hockey programme. It's a team that has always relied on import players. We diverged from that same path in the 90s, when we also had a bunch of non-Latvian Soviet-born players (such as the now-head coach of the Russian national team Znaroks, etc.), but we focused on developing local players and have never looked back.
I can't really imagine myself cheering for a team that was mostly comprised of mercenaries, which is the case with Italy, Belarus and a couple of other countries.
But let's ignore that for a moment. What specifically should we be jealous of? We've been ranked higher than Belarus in the IIHF rankings more often than not. We've made the Olympics 16 years in a row. You haven't.
Half of our key players don't even want to play in the World Champs anymore, because the tournament has lost some of its prestige and its being reflected in TV ratings as well, so every year now recently we're sending a bunch of our B team players to take part. And yet we haven't been demoted from the Elite tier since we clinched the promotion in 1996. That's 20 years. Some of our players weren't even born back then. Only 6 other national teams have a longer streak going.
Belarus played against such hockey powerhouses as Belgium and the Netherlands as recently as 2004.
All of our national teams (men's NT, U-20, U-18) are playing in the Elite tier. You're playing a tier below at the junior level (both U-20 and U-18). No imports there.
We've had 9 NHL draftees since 2010, and there's more coming. You've had a grand total of 1 NHL prospect in that same time frame.
By most indicators we're superior to Belarus while having 5x less material to work with (a population of 1.9M vs. 10M), and we don't even have a single import playing for our national team, yet we are the ones who should be jealous of something? Are you serious right now?
You would think that a country with a hockey-crazed dictator and more people than Sweden would do better than that.
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In all fairness to Italy, they are leaving the status of import team as laid out in this article: http://www.iihf.com/home-of-hockey/...=10377&cHash=60c5d0466c716987a02f1a7063314d98
It's the main reason why they failed to make the typical ascent, and Hungary made it's move instead. It's becoming trendy to leave the import formula because of the success stories that these teams observe.
The problem with the Belarus system is that all the top kids basically have to come through Dinamo Raubichi. Dinamo Raubichi also happens to be the worst team in the league, and it's not even close. Every other kid from Karnaukhov to Kirill Petkov gets patented by Team Russia, they play once and never again, but being kids with big dreams they forfeit their chances to play for a more feasible squad.
Luckily for Belarus though, Vesce, Szczechura, and Cheechoo have all now played 2 consecutive years in Belarus and haven't ever represented the US or Canada. They'll be able to replace the aging Kalyuzhny so that Belarus continues to do good enough in WCs.
It's the main reason why they failed to make the typical ascent, and Hungary made it's move instead. It's becoming trendy to leave the import formula because of the success stories that these teams observe.
The problem with the Belarus system is that all the top kids basically have to come through Dinamo Raubichi. Dinamo Raubichi also happens to be the worst team in the league, and it's not even close. Every other kid from Karnaukhov to Kirill Petkov gets patented by Team Russia, they play once and never again, but being kids with big dreams they forfeit their chances to play for a more feasible squad.
Luckily for Belarus though, Vesce, Szczechura, and Cheechoo have all now played 2 consecutive years in Belarus and haven't ever represented the US or Canada. They'll be able to replace the aging Kalyuzhny so that Belarus continues to do good enough in WCs.
All those players were born in the USSR when Russia and Belartus were parts of one country. Some of them had family in Belarus and moved there, and all of them have lived in Belarus for many years before playing for the national team. Koval, Stasenko, Yefimenko, Usenko clearly have Belarusian/Ukrainian background if you look at their last names. Stasenko grew up in Belarus since he was a kid. Anyway only goalies and Stepanov did something meaningful for the team.
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Damn, they do it to the Belarusian players as well.
Kastitsyns tos Kalyuzhnys tos Gavruss... scoress. Belaruss takess a leads.
Latvians can't complain. Only Belarus born players are destroying their national team right now. Even Belarus Extraleague players score on them. Looks like these two teams from different leagues.
And defenseman from the ECHL playing for the national team, seriously?
Kastitsyns tos Kalyuzhnys tos Gavruss... scoress. Belaruss takess a leads.
Latvians can't complain. Only Belarus born players are destroying their national team right now. Even Belarus Extraleague players score on them. Looks like these two teams from different leagues.
And defenseman from the ECHL playing for the national team, seriously?
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3:0 after 2nd. Now it's 3:1 in the 3rd. Belarus just stopped, no interest in playing at all.
Officiating is hilarious: 6 PP in a row for Latvia.
The lines are:
LATVIA: Masalskis;
Sotnieks — Cibulskis, Daugavinsh(c) — Meija — Indrashis;
Erofeev — Galvinsh, M.Redlih — Dzherinsh — Bukarts;
Shirokov — Freibergs, Abols — Pavlov — Skvortsov;
Saulietis — Bichevskis — Kulda; Siksna(d), Eliseev(f).
BELARUS: Lalande;
Korobov — Dyukov, S.Kastitsyn — Kalyuzhny (c) — A.Kastitsyn;
Goroshko — Shinkevich, Gavrus — Stas — Koltsov;
Filichkin — Ustinenko, Stepanov — Kovyrshin — Linglet;
Znaharenko — Henkel, Kitarov — Volkov — Demkov.
Officiating is hilarious: 6 PP in a row for Latvia.
The lines are:
LATVIA: Masalskis;
Sotnieks — Cibulskis, Daugavinsh(c) — Meija — Indrashis;
Erofeev — Galvinsh, M.Redlih — Dzherinsh — Bukarts;
Shirokov — Freibergs, Abols — Pavlov — Skvortsov;
Saulietis — Bichevskis — Kulda; Siksna(d), Eliseev(f).
BELARUS: Lalande;
Korobov — Dyukov, S.Kastitsyn — Kalyuzhny (c) — A.Kastitsyn;
Goroshko — Shinkevich, Gavrus — Stas — Koltsov;
Filichkin — Ustinenko, Stepanov — Kovyrshin — Linglet;
Znaharenko — Henkel, Kitarov — Volkov — Demkov.
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It was Lalande destroying Team Latvia. He had a stellar night, made a handful of huge saves. Of course, our capability of converting on PPs (or 5-on-5 for that matter) was disastrous.
(Our D is missing a lot this year (no Bartulis, Kulda, K.Redlihs), yet Freibergs played in the ECHL only due to the IIHF doping ban which expired in April. I can imagine him joining Dinamo. Let's not even go and compare ECHL to Belarus Extraleague..
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It's not like Artyom Demkov is on your roster or anything.
Also you can't have it both ways, speaking about sister nations, having ethnicity background and then complaining about your own kids choosing to play for Russia. They might as well feel Russian, if they depart to play for St.Petersburg schools at a very young age.
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It's not like Artyom Demkov is on your roster or anything.
The differense is:
1) Atyom Demkov went to the ECHL as a 22 years old prospect and by the age of 24 he played in the AHL. He's a border line 4th liner for the Belarus team.
Freibergs is a 24 years old who spent this entire season in the ECHL and didn't even sniff AHL. He gonna be your top-6 defenseman. Gotovets, who spent the entire season in the Hawks AHL farm-club, probably won't crack this Belarus roster.
2)Belarus has invited to the camp Stepan Falkovsky from the CHL and he was sent home 2 days later cause he couldn't compete with Extraleague and KHL players. And Falkovsky had great stats in the OHL and will get drafted this summer.
Latvia "improves" by inviting 20 years old undrafted kid from the CHL and he actually plays for the team.
3)You've invited some players from the VHL or even British league to your team. Belarus doesn't even consider the VHL players like Misul or Andryushchenko as a candidates for a roster spot.
Then someone comes here and tells that Latvian hockey develops better than Belarusian. I didn't even want to bother replying to that obsessed drivel that Namejs posted here.
Considering the Russian players. They were born in thee USSR, Belarus was part of the USSR just like Ukraine or Latvia. They were born in the country that Belarus was part of. People were moving all over the country.
Belarusians who took Russian citizenship were born and raised in the independent Belarus. There's no brotherhood or anything that makes Russians closer to Belarussians more than Polish or Ukrainian people. Belarus, Poland and Ukraine were parts of the same countries for 5-6 centuries, while they were parts of the same country with Russia for less than 200 years.
Russia takes the best Belarusian prospects just to ruin them just like they ruined Grot, who was drafted in the 2nd round and plays in the VHL now. Belarus USED TO take Russian outcasts, develop them and make them national team players. I don't know what to say if you don't see the difference.
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It was Lalande destroying Team Latvia. He had a stellar night, made a handful of huge saves. Of course, our capability of converting on PPs (or 5-on-5 for that matter) was disastrous.
(Our D is missing a lot this year (no Bartulis, Kulda, K.Redlihs), yet Freibergs played in the ECHL only due to the IIHF doping ban which expired in April. I can imagine him joining Dinamo. Let's not even go and compare ECHL to Belarus Extraleague..
The Belarus Extraleague team outplayed the Swiss NLA team a few months ago. Last year it was represented on the Slovakia national team roster at the Worlds. Looks like Latvia also invited its only Extraleague player from the HK Gomel to the national team this season. Finns, Czechs, former Canadian NHLer, 32 Russians, even Estonian and Lithuanian players have been playing there this year. Really, let's not even go and compare ECHL to Belarus Extraleague
Typical 'Ukrainian' thinking - Russia does everything to make other people suffer.
Wow you are so off...Gotovets isn't on the Belarus roster this year because Rockford is a playoff team, has nothing to do with his skill. Last year Oleg Yevenko played heavy minutes for the Belarus WC team and he is a downright miserable defender who is literally only in the AHL because of his height. It's true, Freibergs isn't in the ECHL because he got suspended he's there because he's not good enough, but between Gotovets, Grabarenko, and Yevenko you don't have a single better defender. Gotovets in fact played in the WC the year before when he only had one AHL game under his belt, and Grabarenko played the 3 years before that. You haven't gotten newer and better defensemen you've just been turned down or they had prior commitments. Belarus is a lot of hot air because you physically don't have anyone in NA who would make a difference who you miss in the WC every year. What Belarus doesn't seem to realize is the face that no one is afraid of Belarus. People are getting excited. Denmark is on the rise, Switzerland is on the rise, Austria is on the rise, Latvia is holding strong, Germany is holding strong. No one is afraid of an aging program which has long fallen out of the eye of the international community. The vestige of Belarus hockey will continue to churn out a player or two from time to time, same with Norway (which actually has a good chance at the Olympics again, draw luck, will finish last again), no one's afraid, no one's impressed. The only difference between Slovak fans and Belorussian fans is that Slovak fans realize their program is decaying, Belorussian fans think their program is on the rise.
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Thanks for your meaningful input and killing argumentation.
No doubt that Russia gave Belarus a favor making their players foreigners and forcing the kids to accept Russian citizenship.
