The thought was to have two groups, either east-west or north-south. With 32 teams that would mean 16 teams per group. The incentive, as I see it, would be to slowly integrate leagues with close geographical proximity. It would also be a very long series which probably would have to span over two seasons with the playoffs/playins in the following year. Might sound bizarre to some but better to have a proper hockey playoffs then a one game elimination final. I think the current format lends itself poorly to what the vision must be long term. I could be way off here and I realise there are tons of problems with this idea. But I assume that the long term goal is to create some sort of European super league. It's worth discussing future formats, at least.
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The thought was to have two groups, either east-west or north-south. With 32 teams that would mean 16 teams per group. The incentive, as I see it, would be to slowly integrate leagues with close geographical proximity. It would also be a very long series which probably would have to span over two seasons with the playoffs/playins in the following year. Might sound bizarre to some but better to have a proper hockey playoffs then a one game elimination final. I think the current format lends itself poorly to what the vision must be long term. I could be way off here and I realise there are tons of problems with this idea. But I assume that the long term goal is to create some sort of European super league. It's worth discussing future formats, at least.
International club hockey in Europe without KHL-Clubs could be only interesting in small format.
A good model is the system till 1996.
Interesting for whom? I understand that fans of teams in the KHL might frown on the idea but I'm pretty sure there are a lot of fans of teams in Europe that would welcome an alternative to joining the KHL.
Just back from the game between ZSC and Växjö. Maybe it's the disappointment of the result speaking out of me, but man what kind of boring, defensive system-hockey are the lakers playing? Too bad we couldn't score. Hopefully we will be lucky in Sweden.
I understand the frustration. I didn't see the game myself (watching Frölunda - Linköping) but I assume that Växjö got the game where they wanted it and 0-0 is a result they are happy with. I do not expect them to play very conservative hockey at home, however. Playing at home is a big advantage in this tourney.
For Hockey-Fans. Swedish,finnish,swiss,czech,german,slovak and autrian Champion + 1 Qualifier in two Groups.
A interesting tournament for a one week with much attendance(for example the venue in Switzerland oder Germany) an TV-Present.
This is only the Option for international club Hockey in Europe. The CHL is a lack of blood event. Few attandace,few media interest. And some Teams don tply in his full strength.
Oh, I'm sure they are happy with it
Let's see. ZSC are pretty strong in the away games this season We will see. Looking forward to see all the highlights from the other games!Oh, I'm sure they are happy with it
I think the finals is a different animal than the group stage but Zürich is a good strong team. Good luck in Växjö!
I understand your scepticism and your criticism is factual and accurate as it stands today. But a year from now it could be very different. The ambition and goal must be to grow the league, not to shrink it and take a step back. "Hurry slowly", absolutely, but where is the fun in aiming low?
Than you need s league system! Maybe a Central(SUI/CZE/GER etc.) and Nordic league(SWE/FIN/NOR/DAN etc.). Eight Teams in North and Central,14 Games and top 4 per League are qualified for Play Off(best of three).
If this model succesful you could develop this Modus(More Teams etc.).
But this CHL has no future! Sorry for my hard criticism
.Than you need s league system! Maybe a Central(SUI/CZE/GER etc.) and Nordic league(SWE/FIN/NOR/DAN etc.). Eight Teams in North and Central,14 Games and top 4 per League are qualified for Play Off(best of three).
If this model succesful you could develop this Modus(More Teams etc.).
But this CHL has no future! Sorry for my hard criticism
Why woudn't it make sense? I would understand to group system in case of KHL joins CHL. But so far the travelling is not that bad and its better to see all teams than to play just in your region imo.
But, like Lataba wrote, imagine a series with Swedish, Finnish, Danish and Norwegian teams, for instance. Would be really cool to see that as the top division for all of these domestic leagues in the future. Norwegian and Danish teams should be able to attract better players and keep some of the better homegrown ones if they play in a very competitive league. In the end this should strengthen all leagues involved. Less players would opt to go to the NHL or KHL. As it is now, Sweden is seeing a record number of players going to the NHL. We are seeing a clear trend of junior players being brought up to the SHL at a younger age. Not necessarily a bad thing but it is eroding the quality of all leagues outside the KHL and NHL.
That might be the case in Sweden due to big number of players playing there. I just wish we have twice more players in NHL. NHL is totally diff level now so amount of players is just sign of dev. programms quality. KHL is mot that superior and I agree that in case of your concept more players would stay at home. However this is not that interesting for central european teams. I like swiss teams but I dont want to play just against them and german teams. Apart from them there might be one or two competitive teams from Slovakia and Austria and thats all. If czech teams couldnt play against finnish and swedish opponents this league would miss sense for me..
My opinion is that they have started to big. International club hockey is not a big thing. You need to start slow, let it grow, and build on it. You cant just throw 30 teams in the mix in a tournamemnt that means absolutely nothing, except "it is more fun than regular exibition games".
Should have been a very small tournament to begin with. The champs from Swe, Fin, Ger, Cze, Slo and Swizz would have been enough to begin with. A quick intense "playoff" (or a league structure) to crown the European champs. Let the interest grow and let more teams in. And start with a nice sum of money to the winners. Can't be that hard to gather 1-2 millions euros even with less teams (TV rights, jerseyt adverts, etc etc..) and let the winner take almost all.
Should have been a very small tournament to begin with. The champs from Swe, Fin, Ger, Cze, Slo and Swizz would have been enough to begin with. A quick intense "playoff" (or a league structure) to crown the European champs. Let the interest grow and let more teams in. And start with a nice sum of money to the winners. Can't be that hard to gather 1-2 millions euros even with less teams (TV rights, jerseyt adverts, etc etc..) and let the winner take almost all.
torero
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Watching Prague - Bern ... and i am pretty disappointed so far. Sparta being very physical and setting the tone on the plumber level. Pity. Not a nice game. I hope Bern still wins it.
Think it's a fairly good game. Very physical second period with lots of hits and a few scrums. A few scrums in the third as well. Not as many hits, however. Close game and not a whistle for a couple of minutes now. Like how both teams play.
torero
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different opinions is what makes the world interesting ... to me, Sparta rottened the game and Bern lost speed and precision.
at the beginning, shots on goals were equivalent but scoring opportunities were way in favor of Bern. This is when they "lost" it.
I saw better games.
I was quite disappointed by Bern because they didnt seem to me aggressive at all and physical enough.Different view I guess. Having to add that I am probably really influenced by NHL because that big ice games are not really that attractive for me. Good defence by Bern in third period though, I really liked it.As to" rottened" it didnt look like trap game or something like this. They just eliminate Berns strenghtens by playing fast and aggresive. I am pretty sure you will see similar hovkey from czech national team all the season. Thats how a lot of teams start playing here now.
It was to be expected. Just as in the Zürich - Växjö game, the first game is where they feel each other out a bit and try to minimise mistakes. Home teams expected to set the pace and come out with a win but away teams slowing the pace and waiting to pounce on mistakes. Expecting hard fought and intense second games.
Even though run and gun hockey might be more attractive or entertaining, games like these prove that the teams feel that there is a lot at stake. It's a good indicator, if anything.
torero
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As to" rottened" it didnt look like trap game or something like this. They just eliminate Berns strenghtens by playing fast and aggresive. I am pretty sure you will see similar hovkey from czech national team all the season. Thats how a lot of teams start playing here now.
You guys are probably right ... i was frustrated when i wrote that.
whatever ... Game day today
You guys are probably right ... i was frustrated when i wrote that.
whatever ... Game day today
We will see. As I said I like physical game but in both games Sparta has been making a lot of mistakes and seems to me not to be able to adjust their system. Or at least they follow it too much. I mean,its probably modern hockey, but some smart plays and creativity would be nice. If Bern wins, they win because of experience and this smarter game. But I might be wrong and Sparta annoys them with that style and we will win it.
