2015 AAA Draft Thread

[seventieslord]

I wasnt defending the argument of calling Brown a center. Just brought up an explanation for it.

As for Lapointe, he actually filled in as faceoff man (together with Brown and Gilchrist) in 01 when Larionov was gone for most of the season. Note that I call them faceoff men and not centers.

Yes, good point, sometimes the two are not the same thing.

 

[BubbaBoot]

I was wondering why you picked Potsch again when he was not a popular pick last time (when he was picked even lower).

Actually I had Potsch as my #4 in the 2013 MLD Draft. He's now my #6 in this AAA draft.....which seems like a good spot, especially with someone with his numbers and rep. I know the was a bit of a dearth of talent back in the late 50's and have been looking for info on those Czech teams of that era, and especially against the USSR later in that 60'sdecade.

As far a snot being a popular pick, there's barely any mention of him other than he was a tough read and wasn't enough of a "star" on my 2nd pairing d-men with XXXXXXXXXX.

Originally you yourself said that it wasn't a bad era he was in and you were on the frnce about him.....then came back and said that 7 world stage tournaments really didn't qualify as being worthy or something.

During the quarter finals there was a big debate about him and it was mentioned by my opponent that Potsch was indeed a hard read and proceeded to make assumptions about his National Team tenure....which is why I'm looking for more info, even at this lower level.

 

[seventieslord]

VI/Hedberg were to be autoskipped giving RB two picks in a row, but he only picked Hunter. His clock is over (it's been 12 hours), so I just realized it is my turn.

 

[seventieslord]

For my third and final scrap heap pickup I'll take Nikolai Khabibulin, G. Khabibulin never came close to a vezina or an all-star team but had a better level of play and career than dozens who did. From 1996-96 to 2008-09 he was an above average starter, average at worst. He was top-10 in minutes 5 times, and in sv% four times. In 1999 and 2002 he did it in the same season. He's of course a cup winner (I recall the Tampa Bay fans chanting for him to be awarded the Conn Smythe) and is actually only a game under .500 for his career with that playoff run removed. He's also 11-7-2 internationally in a career that went until he was 41. Over an 800 game career, he averaged 1 sv% point above the league average, quite impressive for a guy with that sample size, who held on as long as he did, and who had the Oiler years dragging him down (he was 2.4 points above average through 2009, when he was 36).

- Stanley Cup (2004)
- Played in NHL All-star game (1998, 1999, 2002, 2003)
- Top-10 in minutes 5 times (4th, 5th, 8th, 8th, 10th)
- Top-10 in sv% 4 times (5th, 5th, 6th, 10th)
- 11-7-2 record in International games
- averaged 1 sv% point above league average over a 799 game career
- averaged exactly league average sv% over 72 playoff games
- From 1995-1999 in Winnipeg/Phoenix, averaged .908 compared to .888 by the rest
- From 2000-2004 in Tampa Bay, averaged .914 compared to .893 by the rest
- From 2006-2009 in Chicago, averaged .904 compared to .897 by the rest

Is a savvy veteran and a clutch performer. Can play an electrifying, acrobatic style that leaves fans on the edge of their seat. Has the ability to win games by himself.

It doesn't matter much that you can't teach an old dog new tricks — the ones he already knows are serving Nikolai Khabibulin just fine.

Work harder than everyone else, fight till your last breath of energy on every opposition scoring chance and be a leader in the dressing room.

Tricks like that.

The same things he did as a 31-year-old Stanley Cup winner in Tampa Bay are at the heart of his revival in Edmonton.

Hip surgery, groin injury, 40 years old? Those would be three strikes against a lot of players.

Khabibulin? More like three strikes and you're shut out, St. Louis.

"We're all really happy for Khabby," said half-his-age teammate Taylor Hall, after Khabibulin's 43-save shutout over the dumbfounded Blues.

"He had a long road to recovery from his surgery and it's great to see him playing well.

"He's a great guy around the room and he's a real professional, we're happy for him to come back and play so well and have fun, you can really see he's enjoying it."

Khabibulin has alternated between looking 25 and 45 this season. Hip surgery in the summer, and a recovery that spilled into the first 10 games of the schedule, made it look like he might be ready for the pasture.

"I remember being with him in September, I don't think he was too confident in his ability to come back from surgery," said Hall. "But he worked really hard with our trainers and we all saw this coming, he's in such great shape."

Khabibulin came back and was instantly brilliant, allowing just 10 goals on 154 shots over five games for a 2.00 GAA and .935 save percentage. He posted the only two wins on Edmonton's five-game homestand, took the 15-0-3 Blackhawks to overtime in their first game on the road and seemed in the process of starting a goaltending controversy when his groin went.

Pasture?

Nope, comes back after missing 11 games and after being hung out to dry in Edmonton's 3-0 home loss to St. Louis, exacted some revenge with Tuesday's shutout.

"Nikolai's worked extremely hard to come back twice now this season," said head coach Ralph Krueger. "We had somebody working him out in Edmonton (after he was sent home from the road trip with the groin injury) and he was working harder than even before, when he came back from the long-term injury.

"That's Nikolai Khabibulin, he's a winner and he's a great example for this whole group."

The native of Sverdlovsk is always one of the fittest players on his team and says he feels better now than he has in years.

"I really feel a lot better than before surgery," he said. "I'm enjoying it. When you're body doesn't hurt as much it makes it more fun."

So does playing well — being counted on and delivering.

"Having played good games is more important than a shutout," he said. "A shutout is a combination of the team playing good, the goalie playing good and getting lucky a few times. When everything falls into place you get a shutout. But more important is to feel good and play well.

"For us it's such a desperation time, shutout or no shutout we just need points.

So do they go with him Thursday against the resurgent Columbus Blue Jackets?

"We'll make those decisions after we get back to Edmonton," said Krueger, who liked what he saw in St. Louis. "He was perfect, of course, with the zero, but for us, more important than the saves he was making was the intensity and the battle level that he was showing.

"He was able to manage a couple of breakdowns that we had, he was able to manage the (St. Louis) push back after we scored. At critical moments he really raised his game, it was truly an excellent, excellent effort."

 

[seventieslord]

Actually I had Potsch as my #4 in the 2013 MLD Draft. He's now my #6 in this AAA draft.....which seems like a good spot, especially with someone with his numbers and rep. I know the was a bit of a dearth of talent back in the late 50's and have been looking for info on those Czech teams of that era, and especially against the USSR later in that 60'sdecade.

As far a snot being a popular pick, there's barely any mention of him other than he was a tough read and wasn't enough of a "star" on my 2nd pairing d-men with XXXXXXXXXX.

Originally you yourself said that it wasn't a bad era he was in and you were on the frnce about him.....then came back and said that 7 world stage tournaments really didn't qualify as being worthy or something.

During the quarter finals there was a big debate about him and it was mentioned by my opponent that Potsch was indeed a hard read and proceeded to make assumptions about his National Team tenure....which is why I'm looking for more info, even at this lower level.

my bad, you're right, it was the MLD, he's a few hundred picks lower now. Nothing wrong with throwing him at the wall and seeing he sticks this low. Still too high for my tastes, but...

anyway, I went back to find the quote you're referring to, and I said this:

edit: an hour later, having thought about it, if 7 international tournaments makes you an MLDer, then there are at least 100 MLD caliber players not yet selected...

which is a very good point. I mean, MAYBE if you're soviet then just being on the team alone makes a good case for a AAA level player (or better), but even still there has to be more meat on that bone. Recognition, domestic dominance, etc.

I mean, maybe Potsch looks good here once everything is considered. But looking at a few undrafted internationals I'm still not all that impressed. He doesn't look terrible either, though.

(by the way, regarding "I had Potsch as my #4 in the 2013 MLD Draft. He's now my #6 in this AAA draft" - keep in mind that such comparisons are only valid if the draft sizes are the exact same from year to year, and they're not. Pick numbers say a lot more about what "class" of players you drafted a player among and who he had to be compared to.)

 

[seventieslord]

scrap heap reclamations have been a side theme on my AAA team this year, and Khabibulin was the last of them.

Mike Keane was an ATD staple from ATD 7-12 , then 14-16 (with a brief MLD stint in ATD13, at 728th), at picks 442-739, before falling deeper into the MLD than he ever had before last year (942nd) - That was bad enough, but after 130 more players had come and gone this year, I couldn't take it anymore and took him at 1072.

Eddie Shack was an ATD staple from ATD 7 - 15 (pick 475-721) which was really quite silly. The last two years he fell to the MLD, picks 852 and 848. After he sank all the way to 1118 this year he really looked like an excellent 4th line pick and could have even been scoring line muscle in an AA draft.

Khabibulin since ATD 7 was an up-and-down guy, going between 664 and 872 for 10 straight drafts (4 times in the ATD), but suddenly plummeted 250 picks further this year than he ever had before, and I was happy to get him as a AAA backup.

my favourite reclamation projects of the last two years? Konovalenko (2014) and Tregubov (2013).

 

[BubbaBoot]

The CITY POINT CLOVERS select:

Brent Burns
D / RW

Shoots: Right
Height: 6-5 • Weight: 230 lbs.
Born: March 9, 1985 (Age 30.222) in Barrie, Ontario
Draft: Minnesota, 1st round (20th overall) • 2003 NHL Entry • From: Brampton Battalion (OHL)
Played: 2003/04 - current (NHL) \\\ 2002/03 (OHL) \\\ 2003/04 - 2004/05 (AHL)

NHL: 719 games / 115 goals / 236 assists / 361 points / 0.50 PpG / 486 PIMs / +6 / 42 PP / 0 SH / 20:17 ATOI (as defenseman since 2007/08 - 23:22) / 802 HITS / 571 BLKS / 282 TAKE / 463 GIVE
PLAYOFFS: 34 games / 5 goals / 7 assists / 12points / 0.35 PpG / 55 PIMs / -3 / 2 PP / 0 SH
WCs: 33 games / 7 goals / 22 assists / 29 points / 0.88 PpG / 40 PIMs / +28

- NHL All-Star Game 10/11, 14/15
- NHL Foundation Player Award 14/15
- U20 WJC Most Assists 03/04
- U20 WJC Most Assists by Defenseman 03/04
- U20 WJC Silver Medal 03/04
- World Championship All-Star Team 14/15
- World Championship Best Defenseman 07/08, 14/15
- World Championship Best Plus/Minus 07/08
- World Championship Gold Medal 14/15
- World Championship Silver Medal 07/08
- World Championship Top 3 Player on Team 14/15

ALL-STAR Voting - 07/08 (10), 14/15 (12)
NORRIS Voting - 07/08 (12), 14/15 (21)
LADY BYNG Voting - 11/12 (35)

Is both incredibly mobile and athletic in general. Also boasts tremendous size, to go with his great skating ability. Is mature enough to handle converting from right wing to defense--and then back to right wing again--flawlessly.

Burns was drafted 20th overall by the Wild in the 2003 draft as a projected power forward. He notched 40 points in 68 games on the wing for the Brampton Battalion of the Ontario League and even entered Minnesota’s camp with the idea he was to play a strong game down low.

That is until the defensively minded Jacques Lemaire grabbed control.

Lemaire took the 6-foot-4, 215-pound Burns and transformed him into an imposing defender who had the natural ability to rush with the play. Burns surprised a lot of people by making the Wild as an 18-year-old and playing 36 games with the team.

Burns returned full-time to the NHL the following year and hasn’t looked back, as his game improved each of the following three seasons. Last year, Burns came into his own, notching 15 goals and 43 points in 82 games and became the talk of the World Championship as his flashy style and big-body play attracted fans of both finesse and toughness.

Burns munched minutes. He averaged 22:25 of ice time per game and notched 16 points in the final 29 games of his season. The beauty about Burns is Lemaire also uses him on the wing from time to time, where he doesn’t miss a step.

Burns is largely stuck behind Lemaire’s iron curtain, unable to break through and stand out with flair. But make no mistake: Burns also has a finely tuned attacking acumen to go along with the sturdy size to intimidate and shut down in his own corner. When the puck drops on the 2009-10 season in October, Green will undeniably be mentioned among the top players in the game and ‘one to watch.’ But it was only 11 months ago Burns was the one expected to burst through and take a run at a spot on Canada’s 2010 Olympic team.

Brent Burns – The towering San Jose defenceman had a pair of assists in San Jose’s 5-1 win over Colorado, and has 13 assists in the past 15 games. He ranks second among defencemen with a career-high 58 points, four behind Ottawa’s Erik Karlsson, and 10 more than he had last season while playing right wing. Burns also has solid possession stats, despite starting more shifts in the defensive zone.

 

[VanIslander]

Good stuff on Burns! I'll use it to build a bio. But he went in the MLD 2015 as my 3rd ranked Friars' third pairing partner of Vlasic's:

Providence selects two-time NHL all-star gamer Brent Burns, the 6'5 giant NHL defenseman and occasional forward known for his skating, mobility, physical strength, checking and hard shot. In his 11th NHL season he had a career-high 60 points on the Sharks blueline after a career year the season before that at right wing (for the first full NHL season as a forward he ever had). He was named the Best Defenseman at the 2015 and 2008 World Championships.

Is both incredibly mobile and athletic in general. Also boasts tremendous size, to go with his great skating ability. Is mature enough to handle converting from right wing to defense--and then back to right wing again--flawlessly.

 

[chaosrevolver]

I will draft a winger who will bring a great defensive presence to my fourth line. LW - Jay Pandolfo

Selke voting: 3rd (2007), 8th (2006), 17th (2008)
2x Stanley Cup winner, 1x Stanley Cup finalist

 

[VanIslander]

Fishermen selects Vladimir Golikov, the most successful of the three hockey-playing Golikov brothers in international play, with a reputed two-way game. While he played in the 1976 and 1977 world championship losses and the '80 Olympics, his scoring was very significant when the Soviets won, in four world championship golds: in 1978 he was 3rd in goals behind Balderis and Mikhailov, in 1979 3rd in assists behind Mikhailov and Petrov, in 1981 he led the team in goals and was 2nd behind Maltsev in points, and in 1982 his 9 points were behind only Makarov, Kapustin, and Larionov. And in that 8-1 shellacking of Canada in the 1981 Canada Cup, Vladimir Golikov easily deked out Larry Robinson and backhanded the puck past Liut to score an insurance goal for the Soviets. Two years earlier in the 1979 Challenge Cup series first game, Vladimir joined Lafleur to share star of game honours after his goal in a 4-2 loss to Canada. In game two of the series against the NHL's best, Vladimir scored the game winner in a close 5-4 contest. All in all, he scored 49 points in 59 important games at the international level, thriving at the highest level of competition, not only offensively but also defensively. Clearly, in the five year span between 1978-82 he was simply one of the great hockey players on the international stage. He was a natural center who played on Maltsev's wing on one of the best Soviet lines. It is almost beside the point that he finished top-3 in assists and points in the USSR league in 1978 and followed that with only three more significant offensive seasons at the league level.

Vladimir was an excellent two-way player with impressive defensive performance

http://www.chidlovski.com/personal/1974/liners/index.htm

 

[BubbaBoot]

Good stuff on Burns! I'll use it to build a bio. But he went in the MLD 2015 as my 3rd ranked Friars' third pairing partner of Vlasic's:

Damn....I did a search too.....sigh*

 

[BubbaBoot]

RE-PICK

The City Point Clovers select:

Vic Lynn
left wing / defense

• Shoots: Left • Height: 5'10" • Weight: 185 lbs. •
• Born: September 23, 1969 • Saskatoon, Saskatchewan •
• Played: 1942/43 - 1953/54 (NHL) \\\ 1942/43 (EAHL) \\\ 1943/44 - 1952/53 (AHL) \\\1953/54 - 1958/59 (WHL) \\\ 1959/60 - 1964/65 (SSHL) \\\ !965/66 (WSSHL)•

• Championships •
1947 Stanley Cup (NHL)
1948 Stanley Cup (NHL)
1949 Stanley Cup (NHL)
1957 Lester Patrick Trophy (WHL)
1960 Championship (SSHL)
1962 Championship (SSHL)
1963 Championship (SSHL)
1964 Championship (SSHL)

• Awards •
Listed as #161 in "Legends of the Leafs: Toronto's 200 Greatest Hockey Heroes" By Bruce Meharg

• All-Star Games •
1947 / 1948 / 1949 (NHL)

• All-Star Teams •
1962 SSHL 1st All-Star Team (Player-Coach)
1966 WCSHL 2nd All-Star Team (Player-Coach)

• Achievements •
• Games Played
- Career NHL • 327
- Career NHL PLAYOFFS • 47

• Goals
1945-46 AHL 26 (T10)
1945-46 AHL PLAYOFFS 5 (T3)
1988-89 QMJHL PLAYOFFS 17 (1)
1989-90 AHL 42 (10)
1989-90 AHL PLAYOFFS 9 (T4)
- Career NHL • 49
- Career AHL • 60
- Career WHL • 74
- Career NHL PLAYOFFS • 7

• Assists
1947-48 NHL PLAYOFFS 5 (T3)
1956-57 WHL PLAYOFFS 7 (T3)
- Career NHL • 76
- Career AHL • 82
- Career WHL • 110
- Career NHL PLAYOFFS • 10

• Points
1945-46 AHL 51 (T13)
1945-46 AHL PLAYOFFS 10 (T5)
1947-48 NHL PLAYOFFS 7 (T5)
1956-57 WHL PLAYOFFS 9 (T2)
1959-60 SSHL PLAYOFFS 10 (10)
- Career NHL • 125
- Career AHL • 142
- Career WHL • 184
- Career NHL PLAYOFFS • 17

• Points Per Game
- Career NHL • 0.38
- Career AHL • 0.59
- Career WHL • 0.63
- Career NHL PLAYOFFS • 0.36

• PIMs
1942-43 EAHL 122 (1)
1942-43 EAHL PLAYOFFS 30 (1)
1943-44 AHL 61 (3)
1944-45 AHL 92 (2)
1945-46 AHL 60 (9)
1947-48 NHL PLAYOFFS 20 (1)
1954-55 WHL 82 (7)
1955-56 WHL 100 (6)
1956-57 WHL 137 (6)
1959-60 SSHL PLAYOFFS 12 (T3)
- Career NHL • 125
- Career AHL • 142
- Career WHL • 184
- Career NHL PLAYOFFS • 17

• career stats •

| gms| G | A | TP | PIMs|+/-| G/gm| A/gm| PP| SH
NHL | 327 |49 |76 |125 |274| | .15 |.23 ||
NHL PLAYOFFS| 47 |7 |10 |17 |46 || .15| .21 | |
WHL |291| 74|110|184|402||.25|.37||
AHL | 240| 60|82|142|284||.25|.34||

• career team records •
Saskatoon Quakers (WHL) - games (7) / goals (9) / assists (9) / points (9) / PIMs (7)

• Accolades •

While growing up on the local rinks of Saskatoon, Vic Lynn became very noticeable for his exceptional speed on a pair of blades. When his skating skills were harmonized with the game of hockey, the young upstart was destined for a lengthy career in the pro ranks.

In 1943-44, he fell in with the Detroit Red Wings' organization but failed to impress the team's brass. As such, Lynn was sent to play for the Indianapolis Capitals of the AHL. It was there that he encountered former NHLer and current American League referee Rabbit McVeigh. McVeigh noticed Lynn's aggressive, hard-working style of play. He also noticed that the youngster had a ret-hot temper that could, if not contained, limit his chances to make it to the top. On occasion, the sage ref would issue Lynn a penalty with an admonition to settle down and learn to take hard knocks with a cooler head.

Several years later, as Lynn had been given the cold shoulder by not only the Wings, but the Canadiens as well, he landed in Buffalo of the AHL. It was at that time that Leafs' GM Conn Smythe was in search of some fresh talent to spark his sagging club. During a chance meeting with McVeigh, he got a tip to watch young Lynn as a possible solution to his roster woes. Smythe did just that and ended up bringing the speedster to Toronto.

As a Leaf, Lynn joined Howie Meeker and Teeder Kennedy to form "The K-L-M Line." The trio clicked for three seasons of successful hockey with Stanley Cup victories in 1947, 1948, and 1949. During the tail end of his stay with the Leafs, Lynn teamed with Joe Klukay and later Johnny McCormack to form outstanding penalty-killing combinations.

The Saskatoon-born Lynn played in the NHL from 1942 to 1954 and while with the Leafs was on a line with two legends, Ted Kennedy and Howie Meeker. The 1947 final saw Lynn hamper Rocket Richard to the point where the angry Montreal Canadiens’ star clubbed Lynn and cut his head open. Richard eventually was kicked out of Game 2. Lynn scored big goals in Games 3 and 6.

Vic Lynn is the only player in NHL history to skate for all of the Original Six teams. Lynn played one game for the New York Rangers in 1943. He was picked up by the Detroit Red Wings and played just three games. He played another two with the Montreal Canadiens in 1945 before joining the Toronto Maple Leafs in 1946. Lynn won three Stanley Cups over five seasons in Toronto. Lynn would also go on to play a few dozen games with both the Boston Bruins and the Chicago Blackhawks as well.

While Lynn was an important member of the 1940s Toronto Maple Leafs teams, much of his professional career was spent in the minor leagues. He toiled in cities like Indianapolis, St. Louis, Pittsburgh, Providence and Cleveland. But he never minded.

"I spent five years in the minors before I got my first real chance," he recalled. "But I got to see the world."

For all his stops, he is best known (at least outside of his native Saskatchewan) as a Toronto Maple Leaf. He played left wing on the KLM Line with Teeder Kennedy and Howie Meeker. But Lynn spent most of his hockey career actually playing as a defenseman.

"Defence had always been my position but when Conn Smythe and Hap Day brought me up, they moved me to left wing, and that's where I played for the next five years. Kennedy was outstanding at centre and that always helped, and Meeker was a speed demon, and the three of us always got along well together."

Lynn, more of a banger and crasher, also formed memorable penalty kill tandems with Joe Klukay and later Johnny McCormack.

Vic Lynn was born in Saskatoon in 1925. He was a junior hockey star (as well as a football player) who was dubbed the "Saskatoon Streak." He was inducted into the Saskatoon Sports Hall of Fame in 1987, thanks in large part to his returning to the Saskatchewan city after his NHL days to play senior hockey for the Quakers hockey team. In a decade of senior hockey following his NHL days Lynn led the club to seven Saskatchewan championships and four Western Canada titles.

 

[tony d]

My 2 picks:

Left Winger Jim Riley

Bio from velociraptor: http://hfboards.mandatory.com/showpost.php?p=35238151&postcount=49

Defenseman Curtis Leschyshyn

Bio from Van Islander: http://hfboards.mandatory.com/showpost.php?p=73765577&postcount=275

Pic of Jim Riley:

Pic of Curtis Leschyshyn:

Next has been pmed they're up.

 

[VanIslander]

Fishermen select left winger Gaetan Duchesne, an impact defensive forward who went against the opposition's top right wingers time and again over a 1000+ game NHL career. "The Duke" was renowned for his speed, hard work and effectiveness on the backcheck. He managed to also produce 433 NHL points in 1028 NHL games and 27 points in 84 NHL playoff games. The Capitals created the Gaetan Duchesne Trophy in 2008 to honour what he brought to the franchise. It's awarded to the winning intra-squad team that does the best during scrimmages while in training camp. Duchesne was legendary from the first minute of training camp until the last second of the season: full-tilt effort.

"Outstanding."

That's how the coach described Gaetan Duchesne in just his second season in the National Hockey League. However that label could have been applied to anyone of Duchesne's 14 NHL seasons.

By year two he was one of the top players in the league in his role - defensive forward. He often teamed Duchesne with fellow defensive stalwarts Doug Jarvis and Bobby Gould to form one of the most effective checking units in hockey.

"I like to play Gaetan against the opposition's best right winger" continued coach Murray. There sure were a lot of good right wingers in the early 1980s too - Bossy, Lafleur, Kurri, Mullen.....

"I can see an almost game-to-game improvement in his play. Experience will only help him. He has certainly yet to reach his peak," Murray continued of the Rejean Houle-clone.

Coach seemed not too concerned about "Gator's" lack of offensive contributions.

"He'll always be an adequate scorer, but never a big scorer. He is a hard working responsible defensive player. I realize there is a tendency for him not to get much credit because he doesn't score. Over the years though, as he gets more experience, he'll get the recognition he deserves."

The coach proved to be right. Duchesne ended up playing in over 1000 NHL games and was highly regarded throughout hockey circles. He was always popular with his teammates, who definitely appreciated his contributions if no one else did.

Coming off of his worst offensive season since his rookie year, the Nords felt Duke was near the end of his career, and peddled him away. It was a steal for Minnesota, as Duke was a big part of the Stars magical Stanley Cup charge in 1991.

Duchesne stayed with the Stars until expansion took him to San Jose. He spent two years there before re-uniting briefly with Bryan Murray in Florida to finish his career.

http://washingtoncapitalslegends.blogspot.com/2007/04/gaetan-duchesne.html

Here's a good short video feature on his qualities later on as a Shark, highlighting his skating, speed, smarts, character and leadership:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=McA7SVx6qSY

 

[seventieslord]

If I needed another penalty killer I'd have taken him over shack.

 

[VanIslander]

If I needed another penalty killer I'd have taken him over shack.

I've thought Shack was the perfect 12th/13th forward, sometimes in and sometimes out of the line-up. He brings a valuable set of abilities, but can cost you a game if used unwisely. There was"the Shack attack" before "the Shaq attack". This was pre-Internet.

EDIT: I see he's on the fourth line of your Nolan-coached squad:

Eddie Shack - Cully Dahlstrom - Mike Keane

The other two could combine with Boll, Grant or Brunette seemlessly (if not in fact better) to provide defense. Kuddos to your indeed defensively-gifted left wingers.

(Jokinen, O'Neill, Driver were such negative-qualities-laden players that I'd never herald them in a ATD board depth draft - well, maybe if they fell to a Single-A Draft).

 

[seventieslord]

Kuddos to your indeed defensively-gifted left wingers.

Uh, thanks but to be honest I don't think they're that special in that department. Brunette is probably above average for a aaa scoring line player but that isn't saying much. It's not a part of grant's game you ever hear about. Boll is good but not a true shutdown guy, and shack? Well I'm looking forward to some reading but he seems more like a loose cannon energy, grinder guy, not particularly defensive. I at least know he never killed penalties.

Edit: I'm not really thrilled about the defensive ability of my team, it's just where it needs to be, it's not like I haven't done better before. See just about any mld or aaa team of the past three years.

(Jokinen, O'Neill, Driver were such negative-qualities-laden players that I'd never herald them in a ATD board depth draft - well, maybe if they fell to a Single-A Draft).

Hogwash. Jokinen was the best scorer remaining for over 100 picks before he was taken; just how much should you punish a guy for being a bad team scorer with no playoff record and bad defensively (for most of his career)? It's not like there weren't dozens of one dimensional forwards in the mld with weaker offensive records too, you know.

I'm well aware O'Neill was inconsistent and was a bum in Toronto but show me a player here who had a better four year power forward peak. He was a beast for a while, and it's not like scoring line physical presences grow on tress in the aaa this year, if you haven't noticed.

Driver... Why? Because he was softish? You celebrate players who rarely if ever played on a first pairing and then shit on him? That's just bizarre.

 

[BubbaBoot]

I believe Chaos is skipped. I'll pick in a few....

 

[BubbaBoot]

The CITY POINT CLOVERS select:

Ronald "Sura-Pelle" Pettersson
RW

[Elite Prospects lists him as "F/D". He talks of starting early as a defenseman and playing all positions up front but is known mainly as a RWer]

Shoots: Left
HEIGHT: 6'0" WEIGHT: 181 lbs
BORN: 4/16/1935
BIRTHPLACE: Surahammar, SWE
YOUTH TEAM: Surahammars IF
PLAYED: 1951/52 – 1966/67

- IIHF Hall of Fame 2004
- Swedish Ishockeys Hockey Hall of Fame #49 (2012)
- World Championship Gold Medal 56/57, 61/62
- World Championship Silver Medal 62/63, 63/64, 66/67
- World Championship Bronze Medal 57/58, 64/65
- Olympic Silver Medal 63/64
- European Championship Gold Medal 56/57, 61/62
- European Championship Silver Medal 55/56, 57/58, 62/63, 63/64, 66/67
- European Championship Bronze Medal 54/55, 58/59, 60/61
- Team Sweden Best Player (Guldskridskon) 1965
- SHL Division 1 Championship 55/56, 64/65
- SHL Division 1 Runner-Up 59/60, 61/62, 65/66, 66/67
- SHL Best Player (Guldpucken) 59/60
- SHL Most Points (Skyttetrofén) 57/58, 62/63
- SHL PLAYOFFS Most Goals 1956
- SHL PLAYOFFS Most Points 1957
- SHL All-Star Team 58/59, 59/60, 61/62, 64/65, 65/66, 66/67

SHL Division 1: 226 games / 204 goals / 134 assists / 327 points / 1.45 PpG / 105 PIMs
PLAYOFFS: 67 games / 58 goals / 19 assists / 69 points / 1.03 PpG / 20 PIMs
WCs: 85 games / 48 goals / 27 assists / 75 points / 0.88 PpG / 6 PIMs
OLY: 7 games / 4 goals / 8 assists / 12 points / 1.71 PpG / 2 PIMs

Played 252 total international games for Sweden (4th all-time) scoring 99 goals (3rd all-time)
8th in Points, 3rd in Goals 1961 World Championships
8th in Points, 7th in Goals 1965 World Championships
Västra Frölunda club jersey #14 was retired in 2002
Recieved the Stora Grabbars Märke, (#50)
Kabompokalen 1960
SurahammarsIF All-Time Team Records
- Most Hat Tricks / Season - 5 (1954/55 - 2x3, 1x4, 1x5, 1x7)
- Best GpG / Season - 3.28 (1954/55)

Pettersson was a hard-working right winger, (F/D?), who played an efficient game and made every minute on the ice count. He was a fast skater, and had a well-developed goal-scoring ability. He was considered a team player, not a crowd pleaser or a man for newspaper headlines, despite his natural athletic talent. Like a chess player he always thought one step ahead, knowing what do to when he received the puck, he was sly, cunning, cold blooded and could always do unexpected moves. His passing game was of high quality and precision, he was a good shooter but rarely used powerful shots, instead he preferred well placed precision shots which had a remarkable ability to find the net.

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He was a two-way player, one of the first major national team.

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From the beginning, Sura-Pelle back both in the club and the national team but had his "real" place right wing during the World Cup in West Germany in 1955.....

....One of our first two-way player who thanks to his fine play inside was just as good at being responsible for the coverage backward attending terminations

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Old School - Ronald "Sura-Pelle" Pettersson
A coin destroyed his career Money does not belong on hockey rinks. At least not coin - when a inkastat such in 1967 ended the careers of the two-time world champion Ronald "Sura-Pelle" Pettersson

During the IIHF World Championship in Canada did you see the legend Lasse Bjorn, who described the Tre Kronor's first World Cup gold medals conquered in 1953. In today's Old School will you meet another one of the biggest in the Swedish hockey. Mill guy from Surahammar who co-won the two next World Cup guilders at the Three Crowns, in 1957 and 1962. His career began in Surahammar IF. Then he was recruited to Sodertalje SK before a job as a gas station superintendent in Gothenburg attracted to games in Västra Frölunda IF. Unfortunately ended his career awkwardly during a match in 1967 in Västerås, where a tossed coin on the ice gave him a twist ragged mostly in the knee. The player hockeysverige.se:s readers will meet today, then former captain of the Three Crowns and Norwegian national team, Ronald "Sura-Pelle" Pettersson.

You, "Stisse" Johansson, "Petronille" Schill Power, "para" Karlström, Ulf "Mini" Mårtensson, Ove Dahlberg and later "Pelle" Bäckman, Tommy Salo with several all from Surahammar. What did that just your society could nurture so many good hockey player?
- "Sour" went up the first time in the top flight in 1948 if I am not completely wrong, and we were an industrial town where there might was so much more to do than to play sports. Surahammar was also very good in football and qualified up to the Olympics in 1946. Then we had a lake that froze early in the year, which was good for our skating.

But it was never so Surahammars IF came to belong to those teams who fought for the Swedish Championships in the end, despite many seasons in the top flight?
- There was no one really wanted to move to the "Sura" during this time, but most people moved away and I was probably the first one of us. It instead can marvel is that Vasteras never won any championships for they had completely different resources than Surahammar. The strange thing is pretty much that no player besides Ove Dahlberg ended up in Västerås from the "Sura". All ended up in other clubs around the country.

For the season 55/56 you were practically ready for play in Djurgarden, but that was not the case. What happened?
- It was not as dramatic as it sounds, but I was the only one from the "Sura" which was featured in the Three Crowns and the World Cup in 1955 at the time that several clubs would know that I would play for them. First, I wrote in Sodertalje but then Arne Grunander of Djurgården and claimed that the agreement did not apply, but I would write on the island of Djurgården in place, because the case would go to arbitration and I would be their player. But of course, was my first endorsement of the CCF as it became games in Sodertalje, something I never regretted.

He started back, it was said was Södertälje SK and you put up with the one year older outer striker Lasse Lundvall. How well did you know each other then?
- When I came to Sodertalje SK as I was in the Navy at Berga and played in the U21 national team at the time. I was younger than Lasse but already in the U21 so I got to know Nisse Nilsson, who later came to play with us in the so-called youth chain. But the World Cup 1955 in Germany, I was reserved back and Lasse was reserve forward, and then we lived in the same room where even Sven Thurman lived and was a bit of a father to us both, and this was really where we met each other for the first time. Since we lived together a time in Sodertalje also.

Back?
- Yes, it was that they thought I was back at the beginning ... At this time you had two jaws and ten forwards and I played everywhere, haha ... I was forward in A fifth and reverse of b-five. So when I played my first junior international, I was back but after I scored four goals from my back seat, they realized they eventually I might, after all, was a forward.

You got to go together through the years, you and Lasse Lundvall, what was his good properties in the rink?
- You could say that I was one of the first two-way players. In the beginning of his career. in Swedish hockey. It was not very common then forwards worked down in own zone to win back the pucks. But there was a bit of my special little and Lasse was very good at receiving my long pucks up in the course which I have won in their own zone and fitted forward and manage them in the best way. Something that also Nisse Nilsson later came to be expert in.]/I]

Together with Nisse Nilsson you came and Lasse Lundvall to form the classic youth chain. When did the three of you play together for the first time?
- Dom six or seven first A-internationals, I actually played back but faced a match against Norway became "Tjalle" Mild damaged heating and UK base (then coach) asked if any of Us slopes could imagine playing forward. It came to be the first game I, Lasse and Nisse played in the same chain.

Double world champion in 1957 in Moscow and in 1962 in Denver, Colorado. If we start in 1957, what is your strongest memory from the tournament?
- We were incredibly underdog before we went there and there were not really many of the players who wanted to go to the Soviet Union and there were only one or two Swedish journalists on the spot. It was not as over there then as it is today. For example, there were no shops to go out to shop for a drink if you were thirsty and it was just as we got food every day during the tournament. - We stayed at the Red Square in a hotel that was called Metropol, which is now demolished. It was minus 20 degrees outside and it was not many degrees warmer in the rooms either, haha ... It was also the first real tournament where the dike was broken for us players who were not from Stockholm or Södertälje. Hasse Svedberg from Skellefteå was with Sigge brakes and Vilgot Larsson from Leksand, "Eje" Lindstrom from Wifsta, three guys from Gävle and Nisse Nilsson from Forshaga.

Lasse Bjorn has jokingly said that it was your fault that it was Laurel goes on the podium for the was the only song he thought you could?
- Haha ... yes this was how it was minus 20 degrees outside when we stood waiting for the national anthem and it took a hell of a time before something happened. When Lasse turned around and said - let's sing some old men? Then I said - take the laurel walk, and since then I have been told it was my fault, haha

... World Cup 1962 in Denver, Colorado, which memory you have most strongly from the tournament?
- It was a fantastic tournament, which started up in Northern Canada where we had 20 or 30 degrees below zero and then we went down to Denver, where it was 20 degrees. I was the captain of this World Championships and it was the first time we beat Canada in a World Cup tournament and it is well that particular game I remember best. We led 4-0 before Canada got a Stolpskott approved targets. That goal got the Canadians to have little appetite whetted and they went up to 4-3.

You were on the ice when the classic 5-3 goal that gliiider into the goal ...?
- That's right, Nisse did not take the face-off, but Lasse took over it and went instead puck to Nisse who chipped it in empty Canadian cage 1:32 before the final whistle.

Gold tournaments are not the most fun you made ​​the 252 A-internationals with the Three Crowns. Can you point out that this was my best match or tournament?
- Well ... World Cup 1962 was perhaps the most enjoyable tournament but the World Cup in 1965 in Tampere was perhaps personally my best tournament. Lasse had been injured so I Nisse and played together with Tord Lundström there. Admittedly, it was "only" bronze but it went very well for me.

You left Sodertalje SK of Västra Frölunda IF 1960. One must assume that it was "Bittan" Johansson, who recruited you there? What was it with Gothenburg and Västra Frölunda that attracted the most?
- Yes, it was "Bittan" Anders "Rövarn" Bernmar who recruited me down here. It was the best thing that has happened to me and I have always enjoyed working fantastically well here in Gothenburg and it is also a fantastic city. It was important that it would work on the side as well. Lasse and I had to take over a petrol station in central Gothenburg, which suited us perfectly.

There were also 13 premier division football matches with IFK Gothenburg. Had soccer gambling any impact of the move to Gothenburg?
- Haha ... I've always liked lira ball and I even played at home in the "Sura" and I was having to take up Södertälje in Division 2 when I was there. It was a friend called Sven Appelgren came into the gas station that was right next to Ullevi Stadium and nagged at me that I would play football with IFK. We were in Tips Cup, European Cup and so on, but it became too much. Some evenings I trained first football and then stand and practice hockey. It worked only a year to commute from land instead of Hönö to Ullevi Stadium in the summer, but it was a great fun experience.

Was there ever talk of trying your luck in the NHL?
- No, it never was and there were only six teams there then so I do not think that I had taken a seat in any of the NHL teams either. "Lill-Boot" Oberg, Kjell Svensson (both in Toronto Maple Leafs), Tumba (Boston Bruins) and "Uffe" Sterner (New York Rangers) were reviewed and tested the game with the NHL team, but there was no money to serving there at the time so it was not worth it.

The 14/12 - 1967 in Vasteras came to be a sad day for you then you are forced to cancel your hockey playing. What happened?
- It was the day that my time as a player ended. I stood at the rim and got a tackle that was not remarkable of Vasteras Back and fell into the boards. Though somehow I got stuck and it was a damn nasty broken leg. Unfortunately I suffer still from that blow and has trouble walking properly.

Was there somewhere plans to stop playing before the injury was, like you, after all, was 32 ​​years already and it was a rather advanced age of hockey players at this time?
- Yes , it was well the plans I had two children and work my mack. But it attracted to play a fourth Olympic tournament and the closest was the Olympic Games in Grenoble in 1968 and I had probably going to play until after the tournament.

You jumped on the job as national coach in 1975, Tre Kronor after practicing Frölunda and junior league in Sweden. How you got on with the job?
- The best years were to train junior and boys' national teams. We had such a fantastic vintages, and it was always fun when we were out on trips. After that, I took care of Tre Kronor, but it was a bit strange when we almost lost 15 players to the NHL and WHA, which was a completely new phenomenon then.

You even tried to coach job in Norway. Was there a big difference to be Swedish coach?
- It was 1978, I have for me and we were left in the World Cup's B group. Since we were part of the 1980 Olympics in Lake Placid where we actually met Sweden and lost 7-1. They called me and pester me to become a coach on several occasions, but they were not ruling economic conditions in order to compete with the top teams. It could happen that their best players phoned the night before the tournament, or when we were at camp and say that they could not join because they did not come off from work or school.

What do otherwise, "Sura-Pelle's" life today?
- I have a good life here in Gothenburg and keeps playing golf, which I and Lasse just a moment to do anyway. We also go together in almost all Frölunda matches. But I played my last veteran hockey game in 2000 when we were on tour of China. Nowadays I tend to be mostly in the booth and coach our new generation of veterans who Patrik Carnbäck, Hakan Algotsson and Stefan Larsson.

We usually claim from the All Star Team of those players you have played with. How would your look?
- "Honken" (Holmqvist) must be the goalkeeper. "Stoltzarn" (Roland Stoltz was given but then it is more difficult ... Bert-Ola Nordlander get to play alongside him. Tumba should be given as a forward but I have to take our youth chain with Lasse, Nisse and I.

 

[Hobnobs]

The CITY POINT CLOVERS select:

Ronald "Sura-Pelle" Pettersson
RW

[Elite Prospects lists him as "F/D". He talks of starting early as a defenseman and playing all positions up front but is known mainly as a RWer]

All three of them on that line should be listed as forwards. They changed positions so much that I dont think you could say they had a true primary position.

 

[ResilientBeast]

Am I up? I have received no pms

 

[BubbaBoot]

Am I up? I have received no pms

SKIPPED on the last one. Van Islander and Hedberg took only one of their two picks and were skipped, thusly you didnt get a PM and were skipped. You can make that up any time.

Seventies is on the clock until 5:22 PM and then it's yours for your next pick.

 

[seventieslord]

SKIPPED on the last one. Van Islander and Hedberg took only one of their two picks and were skipped, thusly you didnt get a PM and were skipped. You can make that up any time.

Seventies is on the clock until 5:22 PM and then it's yours for your next pick.

you mean one of their four. From what I can tell they still have three outstanding picks.

 

[seventieslord]

I will select as a 7th defensemen, Warren Godfrey, D.

Godfrey really shouldn't have fallen this far; he played 10.5 seasons worth of games in the highly competitive O6 era, when there were just 30 full-time jobs. To be among the world's top 30 defensemen for 10.5 years is a huge achievement. Even if you're very harsh on the O6 era and assume the talent pool size has tripled, that's like being top-90 for 10 straight years. A guy who was a top-3 defenseman (and often higher) for 10 seasons in the modern era would have been selected long ago.

Godfrey is more of a defensive player; he'll replace Marsh or Hannan adequately (I don't think he's really that far behind either of them). He's also better than them offensively, so if one of my other four gets hurt, he can step in as the 4th PP guy. Not ideal, but hopefully acceptable in a pinch.

- Stanley Cup Finalist (1953, 1961)
- Best Defense VsX: 54, 53, 52, 44, 42, 40, 39
- Very durable: one of 24 players to play in 52-53 and 62-63 and all seasons in-between. He had sixth-fewest missed games in that time: 39
- Played 10.5 seasons worth of games in O6 era (teams 16% below average)

MLD/AAA defensemen and how long they lasted in the O6 NHL

name | Total | Qual | Playoffs | Notable?
Warren Godfrey | 10.50 | -0.21 | 52 |
Alex Smith | 9.96 | -0.06 | 34* |
Reg Hamilton | 8.64 | 0.40 | 66* |
Joe Cooper | 8.41 | -0.08 | 38* |
Hal Laycoe | 7.98 | -0.16 | 40 |
Bill Brydge | 7.96 | -0.47 | 4* |
Stewart Evans | 7.73 | 0.04 | 35* |
Alex Levinsky | 7.66 | 0.03 | 42 |
Lou Fontinato | 7.64 | -0.08 | 21 | Heavyweight fighter
Al Langlois | 7.10 | 0.14 | 53 |
Bob Turner | 6.83 | 0.76 | 68 | 5 stanley cups, could play as PK forward too
Ted Graham | 6.71 | -0.12 | 34* |
Bill Juzda | 6.52 | 0.06 | 42 | Epic bodychecker
Murray Henderson | 6.48 | -0.03 | 41 |
Al MacNeil | 6.43 | 0.39 | 37 |
Lee Fogolin Sr. | 6.20 | -0.34 | 28 |
Ralph Bowman | 5.71 | -0.22 | 26* | Semi-significant Norris votes
Frank Eddolls | 5.05 | 0.06 | 31 | made one ASG on merit
Larry Hillman | 5.01 | 0.28 | 63 | Decorated AHL player, notoriously deep leaf lineup, played 6 seasons after expansion
Al Dewsbury | 5.01 | -0.77 | 14 |
Joe Jerwa | 4.94 | -0.17 | 20 | Twice 2nd in defense points
Kent Douglas | 4.04 | 0.29 | 19 | Semi-significant Norris votes, some AHL awards, deep leaf lineup, 2 seasons post-expansion
Hugh Bolton | 3.36 | 0.03 | 17 | Semi-significant Norris votes, injuries caused at least 2 seasons worth of games missed

"He was hard hitting defenseman most notably with the Wings and Bruins in the 1950s and 1960s. He hit so hard they called him "The Rock" or "Rocky" for short." -- Greatest Hockey Legends

"Defenceman Warren Godfrey played nearly 800 NHL games in the 50s and 60s. He was best known as a reliable stay-at-home blueliner on the Detroit Red Wings for many years." -- Legends of Hockey

"A solid checker and an excellent positional rearguard, Warren Godfrey was a classic "stay-at-home" defenseman who played 16 seasons in the NHL." -- Hockey's Glory Days

"200 stitches in the face, a broken jaw, a broken nose, dislocated shoulders, damaged elbows, cracked ribs, broken fingers, five knee operations, broken toes and 12 missing teeth." -- Warren Godfrey listing his hockey injuries

aggressive defenseman has polished his play and improved his attacking ability as well... a hard hitter, opposing forwards have plenty of respect for him... developed into a standout rushing defenseman last season... has been a workmanlike performer... a fast-skating fearless defenseman who can rush well and bounce opposing forwards equally well...

 

[BubbaBoot]

I will select as a 7th defensemen, Warren Godfrey, D. Godfrey really shouldn't have fallen this far; he played 10.5 seasons worth of games in the highly competitive O6 era, when there were just 30 full-time jobs. To be among the world's top 30 defensemen for 10.5 years is a huge achievement. Even if you're very harsh on the O6 era and assume the talent pool size has tripled, that's like being top-90 for 10 straight years. A guy who was a top-3 defenseman (and often higher) for 10 seasons in the modern era would have been selected long ago.

Godfrey is more of a defensive player; he'll replace Marsh or Hannan adequately (I don't think he's really that far behind either of them). He's also better than them offensively, so if one of my other four gets hurt, he can step in as the 4th PP guy. Not ideal, but hopefully acceptable in a pinch.

He was available? DAMN!