Speculation: 2014 Offseason - Roster Building / Trade Speculation Thread

[JESSEWENEEDTOCOOK]

could do that too, but I think Raymond is better.

Replacing Pouliot with Raymond makes us even smaller and gives us almost no net front presence. Pouliot's playoffs this year was also way better than anything Raymond has ever done in the postseason.

Absolutely no reason to swap those two if they'll make similar salary.

 

[LaffyTaffyNYR]

Replacing Pouliot with Raymond makes us even smaller and gives us almost no net front presence. Pouliot's playoffs this year was also way better than anything Raymond has ever done in the postseason.

Absolutely no reason to swap those two if they'll make similar salary.

Well, I agree with the size part..

 

[DanielBrassard]

Raymond rel corsi last 3 years: -0.4%, -3.4%, +1.5 and P/60 5v5: 1.55, 1.56, 1.57

Pouliot: +1.5%, +4.2,+3.4 and 2.08, 2.51, 1.72

Pouliot> Raymond

 

[LaffyTaffyNYR]

while we're all talking about how good Staal for ROR would be for both teams.. Did anyone happen to realize that if we do that, and God forbid Mactruck gets injured, John Moore becomes our #1 LHD defensive depth is just as important.

 

[LaffyTaffyNYR]

DENVER POST: Adrian Dater reports Ryan O’Reilly’s agent Pat Morris isn’t pleased by the Colorado Avalanche’s decision to take his client to arbitration. Morris said O’Reilly wants to stay in Colorado but the two sides aren’t close to working out a long-term deal. Morris seems to imply his client’s value is $6.5 million (his salary for 2013-14), but his actual cap hit was $5 million, which seems to be what the Avs consider as the start point for negotiations.

Morris notes under NHL arbitration rules his client is eligible for UFA status in two years, suggesting it appears they’ll go year-to-year until his UFA eligibility. Dater now believes the Avalanche could shop O’Reilly, noting he can receive an offer sheet from July 1-5. He feels O’Reilly could fetch “a stud defenseman” as part of the return.

 

[Fugazy]

DENVER POST: Adrian Dater reports Ryan O’Reilly’s agent Pat Morris isn’t pleased by the Colorado Avalanche’s decision to take his client to arbitration. Morris said O’Reilly wants to stay in Colorado but the two sides aren’t close to working out a long-term deal. Morris seems to imply his client’s value is $6.5 million (his salary for 2013-14), but his actual cap hit was $5 million, which seems to be what the Avs consider as the start point for negotiations.

Morris notes under NHL arbitration rules his client is eligible for UFA status in two years, suggesting it appears they’ll go year-to-year until his UFA eligibility. Dater now believes the Avalanche could shop O’Reilly, noting he can receive an offer sheet from July 1-5. He feels O’Reilly could fetch “a stud defenseman†as part of the return.

This makes too much sense for both teams for it not to happen.

 

[Trxjw]

I have a hard time believing the Rangers would be after Jumbo Joe. Afterall, I'm pretty sure Jeff Gorton was part of the brain-trust who sent him packing from Boston because they felt they'd never win a championship with him as "their guy". If that's true, he hasn't done anything since that would change that mentality.

Additionally, the Rangers don't really have the futures to move in a deal, nor the cap space to absorb his contract without sending at least one decently sized deal back in trade. Brassard? Hagelin? Staal? Those guys have fit in very well here.

Thornton also doesn't really fit the "style" of this team. He's not particularly quick. Though he's had a lot of success with Marleau over the years. Nobody knows how quickly he'll decline in production. We all know there's just something about NY that seems to suck the life out of players.

The only place a Thornton trade makes any sense seems to be amongst media speculation because he's on the market and the Rangers like big names. Plus the whole buddy-cop thing with Nash.

 

[The Broadway Hat]

You guys realize at this point Staal is a rental, right? We're not getting ROR for him. Keep dreaming.

 

[LaffyTaffyNYR]

You guys realize at this point Staal is a rental, right? We're not getting ROR for him. Keep dreaming.

so is ROR. especially if a team offer sheets him.

 

[TheTakedown]

DENVER POST: Adrian Dater reports Ryan O’Reilly’s agent Pat Morris isn’t pleased by the Colorado Avalanche’s decision to take his client to arbitration. Morris said O’Reilly wants to stay in Colorado but the two sides aren’t close to working out a long-term deal. Morris seems to imply his client’s value is $6.5 million (his salary for 2013-14), but his actual cap hit was $5 million, which seems to be what the Avs consider as the start point for negotiations.

Morris notes under NHL arbitration rules his client is eligible for UFA status in two years, suggesting it appears they’ll go year-to-year until his UFA eligibility. Dater now believes the Avalanche could shop O’Reilly, noting he can receive an offer sheet from July 1-5. He feels O’Reilly could fetch “a stud defenseman” as part of the return.

Holy hell, bring it on... this would be insane. Where else would the Avs get a stud defenseman other than the Bruins or the Rangers?

I firmly believe that Allen can take Staal or Stralman's spot.. but at this point, we cannot afford to lose BOTH Staal and Stralman...

AV better start looking for options internally. Allen is probably going to be our only option for LD at this point, and I'd be fine with shipping Staal out to get that kind of upgrade on center.

You guys realize at this point Staal is a rental, right? We're not getting ROR for him. Keep dreaming.

O'Rielly is a rental RIGHT NOW.. he has no contract to speak of, as his offer sheet'd contract expired after this year. if Stastny stays there, then there's no need to keep him for the center position since Duchene is clearly the more experience and better player.

http://www2.dailyfaceoff.com/teams/lines/20/colorado-avalanche

I think something else that can be looked into is the Rangers sending a later pick for 2014 or 2015 (5th or 6th rounder) and Avs sending a 3rd pairing/prospect LD... Would help us stop-gap the 2nd/3rd pairing, and allow Allen to be eased into the lineup...

I'm not for moving Staal given how well he's played for us, but the opportunity to get a 23 year old stud centerman for a rental defenseman who didn't particularly play well here this year under his new coach makes too much sense

 

[Trxjw]

I really, really like ROR, but $6.5M might be a little high for my liking. I see the Bergeron comparable there, but Bergeron has multiple 60+ point seasons. ROR has one. Perhaps the age and clean bill of health might justify that number for ROR as well.

 

[Fugazy]

I really, really like ROR, but $6.5M might be a little high for my liking. I see the Bergeron comparable there, but Bergeron has multiple 60+ point seasons. ROR has one. Perhaps the age and clean bill of health might justify that number for ROR as well.

That's the kicker right there. It would be a huge upgrade and would give this team the depth at center it needs.

 

[mike14]

You guys realize at this point Staal is a rental, right? We're not getting ROR for him. Keep dreaming.

Why? What's Staal said?

 

[TheTakedown]

That's the kicker right there. It would be a huge upgrade and would give this team the depth at center it needs.

Here's the thing:

It is basically Richards' money... BUT, given we're shipping Staal out for him, we're still gaining $4M in cap space... You sign another LD offensive DMan for 2-3M, and al of the sudden, you've got a good puck mover paired with Stralman, and a legitimate #1C (which is what Richards was supposed to be)

 

[Trxjw]

That's the kicker right there. It would be a huge upgrade and would give this team the depth at center it needs.

It would certainly give us a lot of depth at center, but for how long? Next summer Stepan would be in line for similar money, and Brassard needs at least $4M on a deal with any sort of term attached. Can this team swing $17M invested in centers with big money already invested in goal and on the wing?

ROR/Step/Brass looks killer this year, but if we don't plan it right it could wind up being a killer.

 

[LaffyTaffyNYR]

IF we could pull off Staal + something (prospect/fast/miller) for ROR.. the center depth becomes really good..

re sign Zucc, Kreider, Brassard (ALL RFAs, so that helps), and D Moore, Stralman and lets play this damn season.

 

[JESSEWENEEDTOCOOK]

Why? What's Staal said?

Nothing, he's posing speculation as fact.

 

[TheTakedown]

It's tight, but it works...

There is a total of 3 roster subtractions:

Boyle Released (hopefully his rights traded for a 7th round pick)
Richards Buyout
Staal Traded to COL

There is a total of 4 roster additions:

O'Reilly traded to NYR
Conner Allen Recalled for LD duties
Carcillo resigned

The rest of the team from last year is re-signed to raised contracts:



CAPGEEK.COM ARMCHAIR GM ROSTER
CapGeek Armchair GM Roster
FORWARDS
Chris Kreider ($1.800m) / Ryan O'Reilly ($6.500m) / Rick Nash ($7.800m)
Carl Hagelin ($2.250m) / Derek Stepan ($3.075m) / Martin St. Louis ($5.625m)
Benoit Pouliot ($1.500m) / Derick Brassard ($3.850m) / Mats Zuccarello ($3.800m)
Daniel Carcillo ($0.825m) / Dominic Moore ($1.500m) / Derek Dorsett ($1.633m)
DEFENSEMEN
Ryan McDonagh ($4.700m) / Dan Girardi ($5.500m)
Conor Allen ($0.925m) / Anton Stralman ($3.800m)
John Moore ($1.350m) / Kevin Klein ($2.900m)
GOALTENDERS
Henrik Lundqvist ($8.500m)
Cameron Talbot ($0.563m)
BUYOUTS
Wade Redden ($0.000m)
Brad Richards ($0.000m)
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CAPGEEK.COM TOTALS (follow @capgeek on Twitter)
(estimations for 2014-15)
SALARY CAP: $70,000,000; CAP PAYROLL: $68,395,833; BONUSES: $850,000
CAP SPACE (20-man roster): $1,604,167


It's tight, but I think it works.... and works really well. Still enough room for one more buried call up in the event that someone is injured..

As for the future, you'd have to hope that several of these deals for the RFA's especially are 3-5 years in term, so that when the cap goes up another $6M (i could see it going higher once the remaining canadien TV deal money kicks into the revenue for the year), there is room to give the remainder of the players raises. Inevitably, some homegrown/dead weight talent would have to be shipped out, but quite frankly I'm not sure we should worry about that right now given how close this team is to winning it all

 

[LaffyTaffyNYR]

It's tight, but it works...

There is a total of 3 roster subtractions:

Boyle Released (hopefully his rights traded for a 7th round pick)
Richards Buyout
Staal Traded to COL

There is a total of 4 roster additions:

O'Reilly traded to NYR
Conner Allen Recalled for LD duties
Carcillo resigned

The rest of the team from last year is re-signed to raised contracts:



CAPGEEK.COM ARMCHAIR GM ROSTER
CapGeek Armchair GM Roster
FORWARDS
Chris Kreider ($1.800m) / Ryan O'Reilly ($6.500m) / Rick Nash ($7.800m)
Carl Hagelin ($2.250m) / Derek Stepan ($3.075m) / Martin St. Louis ($5.625m)
Benoit Pouliot ($1.500m) / Derick Brassard ($3.850m) / Mats Zuccarello ($3.800m)
Daniel Carcillo ($0.825m) / Dominic Moore ($1.500m) / Derek Dorsett ($1.633m)
DEFENSEMEN
Ryan McDonagh ($4.700m) / Dan Girardi ($5.500m)
Conor Allen ($0.925m) / Anton Stralman ($3.800m)
John Moore ($1.350m) / Kevin Klein ($2.900m)
GOALTENDERS
Henrik Lundqvist ($8.500m)
Cameron Talbot ($0.563m)
BUYOUTS
Wade Redden ($0.000m)
Brad Richards ($0.000m)
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CAPGEEK.COM TOTALS (follow @capgeek on Twitter)
(estimations for 2014-15)
SALARY CAP: $70,000,000; CAP PAYROLL: $68,395,833; BONUSES: $850,000
CAP SPACE (20-man roster): $1,604,167


It's tight, but I think it works.... and works really well. Still enough room for one more buried call up in the event that someone is injured

Oh god, yes please. could even use fast in place of Carcillo if he doesn't sign.

 

[mike14]

Nothing, he's posing speculation as fact.

Yeah thought so. I can't see why Staal wouldn't sign with a team like the Avs if they offered him fair contact.

If we were to trade for ROR I think brassard would have to be traded as well, leaving Miller, Moore and Lindberg as our bottom 6 and depth centers. There is also the possibility we could sign a 4th line ufa c.

 

[TheTakedown]

Oh god, yes please. could even use fast in place of Carcillo if he doesn't sign.

Edited my post but you quoted before I submitted it...

As for the future, you'd have to hope that several of these deals for the RFA's especially are 3-5 years in term, so that when the cap goes up another $6M (i could see it going higher once the remaining canadien TV deal money kicks into the revenue for the year), there is room to give the remainder of the players raises. Inevitably, some homegrown/dead weight talent would have to be shipped out, but quite frankly I'm not sure we should worry about that right now given how close this team is to winning it all

I could be off on some of those salaries. I cut Zucc, Brass, and Poo down by $200k each hoping that they bend for some hometown discounts. I could also see Stralman going down as far as 3.8M given that he wants term and not $ (same with Zucc).

I'd also argue that there are some up-and coming players from the pack that could easily be promoted to the big league... It's entirely possible that the following happens:

- McIlrath is in fact ready, and therefore makes Klein or Stralman expendable (most likely Klein, which sucks because I like him)
- Fast takes Pouliot or Carcillo's spot, therefore saving another few hundrek k on the cap
- Completely possible that if Allen takes the 2nd pair LD spot, and makes John Moore look even more terrible (which I don't foresee, as I see a future with him, even with a head full of rocks for a brain)
- some of the higher-line pieces are moved (Hagelin moved, miller in his place, etc)... not predicting these. just saying its possible

 

[JESSEWENEEDTOCOOK]

It's tight, but it works...

There is a total of 3 roster subtractions:

Boyle Released (hopefully his rights traded for a 7th round pick)
Richards Buyout
Staal Traded to COL

There is a total of 4 roster additions:

O'Reilly traded to NYR
Conner Allen Recalled for LD duties
Carcillo resigned

The rest of the team from last year is re-signed to raised contracts:



CAPGEEK.COM ARMCHAIR GM ROSTER
CapGeek Armchair GM Roster
FORWARDS
Chris Kreider ($1.800m) / Ryan O'Reilly ($6.500m) / Rick Nash ($7.800m)
Carl Hagelin ($2.250m) / Derek Stepan ($3.075m) / Martin St. Louis ($5.625m)
Benoit Pouliot ($1.500m) / Derick Brassard ($3.850m) / Mats Zuccarello ($3.800m)
Daniel Carcillo ($0.825m) / Dominic Moore ($1.500m) / Derek Dorsett ($1.633m)
DEFENSEMEN
Ryan McDonagh ($4.700m) / Dan Girardi ($5.500m)
Conor Allen ($0.925m) / Anton Stralman ($3.800m)
John Moore ($1.350m) / Kevin Klein ($2.900m)
GOALTENDERS
Henrik Lundqvist ($8.500m)
Cameron Talbot ($0.563m)
BUYOUTS
Wade Redden ($0.000m)
Brad Richards ($0.000m)
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CAPGEEK.COM TOTALS (follow @capgeek on Twitter)
(estimations for 2014-15)
SALARY CAP: $70,000,000; CAP PAYROLL: $68,395,833; BONUSES: $850,000
CAP SPACE (20-man roster): $1,604,167


It's tight, but I think it works.... and works really well. Still enough room for one more buried call up in the event that someone is injured..

As for the future, you'd have to hope that several of these deals for the RFA's especially are 3-5 years in term, so that when the cap goes up another $6M (i could see it going higher once the remaining canadien TV deal money kicks into the revenue for the year), there is room to give the remainder of the players raises. Inevitably, some homegrown/dead weight talent would have to be shipped out, but quite frankly I'm not sure we should worry about that right now given how close this team is to winning it all

Most of these salaries look a bit low to me.

 

[HatTrick Swayze]

I have a hard time believing the Rangers would be after Jumbo Joe. Afterall, I'm pretty sure Jeff Gorton was part of the brain-trust who sent him packing from Boston because they felt they'd never win a championship with him as "their guy". If that's true, he hasn't done anything since that would change that mentality.

Additionally, the Rangers don't really have the futures to move in a deal, nor the cap space to absorb his contract without sending at least one decently sized deal back in trade. Brassard? Hagelin? Staal? Those guys have fit in very well here.

Thornton also doesn't really fit the "style" of this team. He's not particularly quick. Though he's had a lot of success with Marleau over the years. Nobody knows how quickly he'll decline in production. We all know there's just something about NY that seems to suck the life out of players.

The only place a Thornton trade makes any sense seems to be amongst media speculation because he's on the market and the Rangers like big names. Plus the whole buddy-cop thing with Nash.

I agree with you. I would say that last paragraph sounds exactly like why the Rangers WOULD have interest and could make it work.

Tin foil hat time: maybe it is an arranged leak to convince a real suitor that Sather has options. Like all the Radulov chatter before Nash was acquired.

Tin foil hat part 2: Maybe Skjei hasn't announced his plans either way because there is a shot the Rangers will have an opening at LD.

 

[TheTakedown]

Most of these salaries look a bit low to me.

some have wiggle room to go up... some do not. I don't think John Moore deserves anything more than 1.4M, and I'm assuming that some of these players take an extra year of term at the expense of $100-200K in salary per year... for some, I think it's feasible. I also think some of these guys realize that they are on a champion caliber team, in which case it's either $ vs Cup...

I also think most of these guys have heart, and like being here. I can see at least 2-3 of the signings made this season will have taken hometown discounts for their contracts.

 

[LaffyTaffyNYR]

Ryan Mcdonagh makes 4.7M and he's an elite defenseman.. Zucc and Brass while had very good seasons have done it once, they should count their lucky stars if they get 4M..