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Speculation: 2014 Offseason - Roster Building / Trade Speculation Thread VI

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Bleed Ranger Blue said:
Thats a massive downgrade.
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it's the only thing we can afford. Bourque will take little cap space...

I'm also all for bringing Carcillo back as well... which means there would only be one rookie i nthe lineup.

We'd also have space for another #2 Centerman, aka Grabovski
 
Poo basically puts up the same numbers any team he goes to. He never lived up to his draft pick, but it seems you know he is going to get his 30-40 points a season with good puck possession.
 
Iginla is not good on LW (where he played in Pittsburgh IIRC). He doesn't fit here. He isn't going to come here and turn into superman and bring us the cup because he wants it so badly. No thanks.
 
NYR Viper said:
I could see them putting him with Malkin. Unless they overpay for him, maybe 3x3 and I would be okay with it
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Even if they put him with Malkin.

Malkin has the mindset of shoot first, much of the time.

Poo would get some nice clean up opportunities, but Zucc and Brassard spoon fed him many of his goals.

What's worse for Poo is that it took him a couple of months to even get on the same wavelength with another Rangers forward. AV had to put him on a line not with raw scoring talent but with two guys that constantly had their heads on swivels to find an open man.

Malkin's a goal scorer. He probably averages a goal in between 1/3-2/3 of the total games he plays in a season. That's insane.

Can Poo play off of Malkin? Zucc and Brassard played off of Poo to give him the chances.

3x3 is massive overpayment. Not only would I be happy for Poo and his family to get that type of contract, but i'd be happy knowing that Pitt paid a much hyped player. Kind of like the World Cup effect, when other teams massively overspend for people that looked good in a short amount of time only to have them regress to the mean of their playing abilities.
 
Rust Heisenberg said:
My plan has remained the same.

Try and resign the key cogs that are free agents. Trade Staal to maximize value if you can retain Stralman. Improve.
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Not trying to attack your opinion, but I seriously don't get why people think Staal and Stralman have anything to do with one another. Trading Staal opens up a massive hole on the left side of our D. How does retaining Stralman, a right D, help that at all? John Moore isn't ready for 2nd pair LD duty, and we have nobody else to eat those minutes.
 
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FORWARDS
Chris Kreider ($1.500m) / Derek Stepan ($3.075m) / Rick Nash ($7.800m)
Carl Hagelin ($2.250m) / Mikhail Grabovski ($4.000m) / Martin St. Louis ($5.625m)
J.T. Miller ($0.894m) / Derick Brassard ($3.700m) / Mats Zuccarello ($3.600m)
Daniel Carcillo ($0.825m) / Dominic Moore ($1.750m) / Ryan Bourque ($0.900m)
DEFENSEMEN
Ryan McDonagh ($4.700m) / Dan Girardi ($5.500m)
Marc Staal ($3.975m) / Christian Ehrhoff ($4.000m)
John Moore ($1.300m) / Kevin Klein ($2.900m)
GOALTENDERS
Henrik Lundqvist ($8.500m)
Cameron Talbot ($0.563m)
BUYOUTS
Wade Redden ($0.000m)
Brad Richards ($0.000m)
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Should be enough capspace for a spare F and D
 
Mint said:
Losing poo and Stralman is disastrous. Team probably takes a big step back next yr.
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Thanks for the input, chicken little.

I liked what these 2 guys gave last season, but the notion they are irreplaceable if pretty funny. I think a case can be made that losing Brian Boyle is more of an issue, especially if the Rangers can land Ehrhoff.
 
Mint said:
Losing poo and Stralman is disastrous. Team probably takes a big step back next yr.
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Stralman fine sure say that although they can find a replacement you know right?

Poo is exactly that sometimes. I also think he will resign in NY tomor. Sather is right take a little less on a 2 yr deal and play with a good team and solid linemates you have chemistry with
 
Riverdale said:
Iginla is not good on LW (where he played in Pittsburgh IIRC). He doesn't fit here. He isn't going to come here and turn into superman and bring us the cup because he wants it so badly. No thanks.
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Iginla was a big reason that Boston was so successful last year.

Every time I watched a Bruins game... mind you that I had access to NESN, had two diehard Bruins fans as room mates that would put those games on in the common room, and went to quite a few games as I was moving back to NY after graduation... Iginla was one of their most dynamic players.

He willed the Bruins to victory on more than one occasion. His line was arguably the most dangerous one for the Bruins.

Big body. Will park in front of the net and score dirty goals. Has ability to score with skill, too.

Old, but perfect fit for a team trying to get back to the cup.
 
Revelation said:
Not trying to attack your opinion, but I seriously don't get why people think Staal and Stralman have anything to do with one another. Trading Staal opens up a massive hole on the left side of our D. How does retaining Stralman, a right D, help that at all? John Moore isn't ready for 2nd pair LD duty, and we have nobody else to eat those minutes.
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Because they're both about equivalent in terms of skill and experience at this point in their careers.

It would allow the team to slot a younger guy that one of those vets can help acclimate to a certain standard of play.
 
azaloum90 said:
CAPGEEK.COM ARMCHAIR GM ROSTER
CapGeek Armchair GM Roster
FORWARDS
Chris Kreider ($1.500m) / Derek Stepan ($3.075m) / Rick Nash ($7.800m)
Carl Hagelin ($2.250m) / Mikhail Grabovski ($4.000m) / Martin St. Louis ($5.625m)
J.T. Miller ($0.894m) / Derick Brassard ($3.700m) / Mats Zuccarello ($3.600m)
Daniel Carcillo ($0.825m) / Dominic Moore ($1.750m) / Ryan Bourque ($0.900m)
DEFENSEMEN
Ryan McDonagh ($4.700m) / Dan Girardi ($5.500m)
Marc Staal ($3.975m) / Christian Ehrhoff ($4.000m)
John Moore ($1.300m) / Kevin Klein ($2.900m)
GOALTENDERS
Henrik Lundqvist ($8.500m)
Cameron Talbot ($0.563m)
BUYOUTS
Wade Redden ($0.000m)
Brad Richards ($0.000m)
BONUS OVERAGE
$0
------
CAPGEEK.COM TOTALS (follow @capgeek on Twitter)
(estimations for 2014-15)
SALARY CAP: $69,000,000; CAP PAYROLL: $67,356,667; BONUSES: $350,000
CAP SPACE (20-man roster): $1,643,333


Should be enough capspace for a spare F and D
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IMO, Erhoff is looking at a deal worth about 3.5.
 
Rust Heisenberg said:
Even if they put him with Malkin.

Malkin has the mindset of shoot first, much of the time.

Poo would get some nice clean up opportunities, but Zucc and Brassard spoon fed him many of his goals.

What's worse for Poo is that it took him a couple of months to even get on the same wavelength with another Rangers forward. AV had to put him on a line not with raw scoring talent but with two guys that constantly had their heads on swivels to find an open man.

Malkin's a goal scorer. He probably averages a goal in between 1/3-2/3 of the total games he plays in a season. That's insane.

Can Poo play off of Malkin? Zucc and Brassard played off of Poo to give him the chances.

3x3 is massive overpayment. Not only would I be happy for Poo and his family to get that type of contract, but i'd be happy knowing that Pitt paid a much hyped player. Kind of like the World Cup effect, when other teams massively overspend for people that looked good in a short amount of time only to have them regress to the mean of their playing abilities.
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Malkin made Neal a 40 goal scorer because he spoon-fed him passes.
 
I have liked Mark Fayne for a while now. Figured the Devils wouldnt let a guy like that go. Not that he is AMAZING but I can see him being heavily undervalued. What is this guys Corsi numbers. I can see him having a high score for this and if so, he can be a great replacement for Stralman I feel. Maybe cheaper too.

I dont like throwing around the word, replacement too much. I thought Dubi could be replaced by Nash and Brashear for Orr or Gomez for Nylander and sometimes people bring different things to the table beyond numbers.



I feel like Erhoff is gonna be expensive. But maybe not since hes still getting paid by Buffalo. Why not try? Idk much about him but if he didnt show up well in Buffalo (said by GM who said he didnt care to be here... idk how much i like that character)
 
Bleed Ranger Blue said:
Thanks for the input, chicken little.

I liked what these 2 guys gave last season, but the notion they are irreplaceable if pretty funny. I think a case can be made that losing Brian Boyle is more of an issue, especially if the Rangers can land Ehrhoff.
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I agree. These guys are nice players to have, but they're the reason why you go far only if a lot of other things happen, like Lundqvist playing out of his mind, or a good unit of 5 stopping Crosby, or even some luck in the playoffs here and there. Everyone on the Rangers seems to look so good now since they went to the playoffs and everyone is the reason why they went so far. But again, having a great fourth line, or a nice winger like Poo is good only if a lot of other things are going well.
 
NYR Viper said:
I'd be surprised if that's all he would command
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3 yrs deferred from his best years.

32.

His last contract was 4 mill and he was bought out for being overpaid for what he brought to the table.

There are other options on the market. Gorges available. Stralman, Niskaken, etc.

I'd be surprised if he got over 3.75.
 
Man, it's just hitting me now how bad the 69 is compared to the 71 a lot of people thought the cap would be.

Puts a quite a few teams (including us) in a really bad position
 
Rangers finally talking to D.Moore. Get him singed so the 4th line can come back minus Boyle. Add Ryan Carter instead for cheap

Carcillo if signed can fill in for Dorsett. He was doing just fine.

Carcillo, Moore, Carter
 
Rust Heisenberg said:
3 yrs deferred from his best years.

32.

His last contract was 4 mill and he was bought out for being overpaid for what he brought to the table.

There are other options on the market. Gorges available. Stralman, Niskaken, etc.

I'd be surprised if he got over 3.75.
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He received 4 million because of the dummy years at the back-end.
 
Bleed Ranger Blue said:
Thanks for the input, chicken little.

I liked what these 2 guys gave last season, but the notion they are irreplaceable if pretty funny. I think a case can be made that losing Brian Boyle is more of an issue, especially if the Rangers can land Ehrhoff.
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I doubt the rangers can land Ehrhoff. He's likely to get around 6 mil IMO as the best defender on the market.

The notion that Brian Boyle is more valuable than a top 4 defender is what's funny IMO.

Boyle is probably the most replaceable of the players leaving.
 
Rust Heisenberg said:
3 yrs deferred from his best years.

32.

His last contract was 4 mill and he was bought out for being overpaid for what he brought to the table.

There are other options on the market. Gorges available. Stralman, Niskaken, etc.

I'd be surprised if he got over 3.75.
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He was bought out because the recapture penalty in his last two years could have potentially been more than 5 million a piece.
 
I wonder if D. Moore is the guy they choose to keep. Lindberg on his left. Haggerty on his right.

Lindberg offers a 5th center option that AV used this year between Boyle and Moore.

Haggerty is a big body that was used on both the PP and PK. Solid shot, big body to place in front of the net, hard hitter.

That line makes about 2.8 mill. More cap flexibility to sign better talent players.

If that line begins to suffer, the Rangers can find a value trade later on in the season.

Boyle was had for a 3rd, Carcillo for a 7th, Dorsett a throw in. Those type of players are always available, cheaply, throughout the year. Prust was a throw in on the Higgins deal.

I don't know about Bouque. He's 5'9. That's small.
 
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