Speculation: 2014 Offseason - Roster Building / Trade Speculation Thread IV

[JESSEWENEEDTOCOOK]

I just spit chocolate milk all over my keyboard. Mark Fayne is an abomination of an NHL player

The ****?

 

[Infinitum Vitae*]

Klein is going to be the 2nd RHD if Stralman doesn't take the offer we give him.

This! Just got to love them Swedish posters overrating their Swedish players

 

[LaffyTaffyNYR]

Definitely not, I wouldn't go over 4.5M AAV, but I don't get why it's either "if Stralman leaves we're 30th next season" or "Stralman can be replaced by any bum". There's a middle ground. He's been very good for the Rangers and we should strive to keep him imo, if the price is right.

I definitely agree there is a middle ground.. one of the few times I've seen that anywhere from Ranger fans.. either he's highly overrated, or highly underrated.

 

[Infinitum Vitae*]

If stralman walks and Staal is resigned well be fine

 

[Thirty One]

One would hope a defensemen would look solid when used like this:

This post makes me happy.

 

[Bleed Ranger Blue]

If stralman walks and Staal is resigned well be fine

Its tough to see a scenario where the team gets definitively better if either one leaves.

 

[LaffyTaffyNYR]

Its tough to see a scenario where the team gets definitively better if either one leaves.

Even if adding more offense?... because despite the SCF run last year, again, that's what did us in... lack of offense and finishing.

 

[Bleed Ranger Blue]

Even if adding more offense?... because despite the SCF run last year, again, that's what did us in... lack of offense and finishing.

I dont see a realistic scenario that adds enough offense to cover the big hole that'd open up if Staal or Stralman left.

 

[TheTakedown]

In the playoffs:

Kevin Klein Quality of Competition - 27.4%
Anton Stralman Quality of Competition - 29.3%

Not necessarily the biggest disparity, wouldn't you say?

One of these players played with Marc Staal. The other played with John Moore or Raffy Diaz.

Klein is as good, or just marginally worse than Stralman.

*puts up shield*

thank you for the stats...

 

[LaffyTaffyNYR]

I dont see a realistic scenario that adds enough offense to cover the big hole that'd open up if Staal or Stralman left.

I don't think its a huge hole if Stralman leaves and Klein takes over his spot. depending on who we add on the 3rd pair anyway.

 

[TheTakedown]

If Stralman is better.. He's not 2M better that's for sure. Klein is making 2.9 signed for 4 more years.. Stralman is looking likely to get at least 4.5

When you look at the ****ing stats, that is a RIDICULOUS number for Stralman... Klein is set to make $1.1M LESS than him and yet they are nearly the same player

 

[aufheben]

thank you for the stats...

2% is a massive disparity in QoC. Notice how some players are all the way to the left, and some are all the way to the right? That's because the % of defensive zone starts Stralman (39.5%) got is, literally, double what Klein got (21.7%). Klein and J. Moore were completely spoon fed the easiest possible match ups by AV.

 

[Zil]

When you look at the ****ing stats, that is a RIDICULOUS number for Stralman... Klein is set to make $1.1M LESS than him and yet they are nearly the same player

Klein is nearly the same player as Stralman in the same sense that Brassard is nearly the same player as Malkin. They are both male humans and they play the same position in the NHL. Any serious analysis shows them diverging markedly after that point. Concluding otherwise indicates that you are not actually looking at the stats.

 

[NYR Viper]

I am really thinking that Lindberg is the better overall center than Miller and should be tried at that 3c spot. Better on face-offs. Better defensively. I think he has some very underrated hockey IQ and skill as well.

 

[TheTakedown]

Nah man, Klein is as good as Stralman!!

Klein is also paired with a horrific defense partner...

 

[GAGLine]

Even if adding more offense?... because despite the SCF run last year, again, that's what did us in... lack of offense and finishing.

And what got us there was defense and goaltending. If we are adding more offense at the expense of defense, how does that make us better overall?

 

[TheTakedown]

Still think Grabovski should be looked at for center

http://www.blueshirtbanter.com/2014...l-free-agency-is-mikhail-grabovski-the-answer

 

[NYR Viper]

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FORWARDS
Evander Kane ($5.250m) / Derek Stepan ($3.075m) / Rick Nash ($7.800m)
Chris Kreider ($2.150m) / Derick Brassard ($4.400m) / Mats Zuccarello ($3.900m)
Carl Hagelin ($2.250m) / Oscar Lindberg ($0.675m) / Martin St. Louis ($5.625m)
Daniel Winnik ($2.200m) / Dominic Moore ($1.750m) / Derek Dorsett ($1.633m)
DEFENSEMEN
Ryan McDonagh ($4.700m) / Anton Stralman ($4.400m)
Conor Allen ($0.925m) / Dan Girardi ($5.500m)
John Moore ($1.400m) / Kevin Klein ($2.900m)
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Cameron Talbot ($0.563m)
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Brad Richards ($0.000m)
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Staal + Conditonal 1st '16 (if he doesn't re-sign) for E. Kane

Lindberg wins the 3c spot. Face-offs, defensive prowess PKing ability. Very solid player.

Sign Stralman @ 4.4 for 6 years.
Sign D Moore 3 years @ 1.75 million

 

[Zil]

AGAIN, the quality of Klein's PARTNER is garbage... Not saying Staal carried Stralman this year, but I'd love to see the stats if Stralman was paired with John Moore all year.

The stats say Stralman boosted Staal, not the other way around. The stats hate Klein regardless of his partner.

Since you asked, this is what happens to each teammate's possession numbers when on the ice with Stralman:

 

[TheTakedown]

Klein is nearly the same player as Stralman in the same sense that Brassard is nearly the same player as Malkin. They are both male humans and they play the same position in the NHL. Any serious analysis shows them diverging markedly after that point. Concluding otherwise indicates that you are not actually looking at the stats.

2% is a massive disparity in QoC. Notice how some players are all the way to the left, and some all the way to the right? That's because the % of defensive zone starts Stralman (39.5%) got is, literally, double what Klein got (21.7%). Klein and J. Moore were completely spoon fed the easiest possible match ups by AV.

AGAIN, the quality of Klein's PARTNER is garbage... Not saying Staal carried Stralman this year, but I'd love to see the stats if Stralman was paired with John Moore all season/playoffs...

Have a look at this chart, which Shows Klein getting nearly the same offensive starts, which a slight decrease in performance...

with his partner, HAL GILL, later replaced by Roman Josi, whom I must admit I don't know much about. Beyond that, it should be spelledout for you, no?

 

[aufheben]

Well guess what? Stralman wasn't on the 3rd pairing, and for good reason.*

*Because he's better than Klein

 

[19Rangers94]

Staal + Conditonal 1st '16 (if he doesn't re-sign) for E. Kane

Lindberg wins the 3c spot. Face-offs, defensive prowess PKing ability. Very solid player.

Sign Stralman @ 4.4 for 6 years.
Sign D Moore 3 years @ 1.75 million

Yes! Yes! Yes!, where do I sign?

 

[JESSEWENEEDTOCOOK]

Staal + Conditonal 1st '16 (if he doesn't re-sign) for E. Kane

Lindberg wins the 3c spot. Face-offs, defensive prowess PKing ability. Very solid player.

Sign Stralman @ 4.4 for 6 years.
Sign D Moore 3 years @ 1.75 million

Jesus, no.

 

[BlueshirtBlitz]

1st AND Staal for Evander Kane is nuts.

4.5 for 5-6 is very good for Stralman.

 

[BlueshirtBlitz]

Posting logical arguments will get you nowhere on here.

Stralman is our best defender. We owe it to him to pay him whatever he wants, regardless of what he actually brings to the table - which Klein does, and for near half the price.

The big issue with the Rangers D after letting Stralman walk is 3RD, not 2RD. Which of course is a domino effect of losing Stralman, but Klein is 2RD capable.

Klein doesn't bring half of what Stralman does.

Trade Klein.