Speculation: 2014 Offseason - Roster Building / Trade Speculation Thread IV

[GAGLine]

Boyle on a one year deal with incentives that would count against cap next season would be perfect IMO.

Until those bonuses come due next year. Buying players on credit is a bad idea.

 

[NYR Viper]

Until those bonuses come due next year. Buying players on credit is a bad idea.

Unless you feel this next season is going to be your best shot at a Cup and want to go for it

 

[Savant]

I think the Rangers are much better with a top four of McDonagh Girardi Staal and Klein than McDonagh Girardi Stralman and whoever replaces Staal because there is no way they can keep both.

 

[Bleed Ranger Blue]

How? By trading Staal we clear cap space and re-stock our draft picks in one fell swoop. That cap space can be used to address a glaring need. Staal also has a year left on his deal and his value is high. It's actually extremely productive

Trading one of the better shut-down defenseman in the league for draft picks is stupid as it is.

And what cap space are you clearing? The space to sign Stastny? Net/net thats not much of a difference in terms of making the team better.

Unless you go with the thinking that the Rangers will magically be able to find a cheap replacement for Staal, which is a leap of faith if there ever was one.

 

[GAGLine]

Unless you feel this next season is going to be your best shot at a Cup and want to go for it

Ask Boston how they feel about the Iginla contract right now. Putting all your eggs in one basket is great if it works out, but either way it will cause problems down the road.

 

[SingnBluesOnBroadway]

Byfuglien would be a big add for this team.

Right-handed booming shot from the point.

I don't disagree. But that wasn't my point. What does this team realistically have to/can give up to get him?

 

[Bleed Ranger Blue]

I think the Rangers are much better with a top four of McDonagh Girardi Staal and Klein than McDonagh Girardi Stralman and whoever replaces Staal because there is no way they can keep both.

I agree.


The negative, however, is Stralman walks for nothing and you still have the Staal contract issue to deal with.

 

[SingnBluesOnBroadway]

That's true, although he may have wanted Callahan in, but Sather didn't want him in at the cost, since they did try initially to keep him. But then again, perhaps they gave Callahan an offer they knew he would refuse. Should be an exciting week ahead.

He might have wanted Cally. That said, I can't see him being disappointed to learn that he was getting St. Louis back.

 

[Bleed Ranger Blue]

I don't disagree. But that wasn't my point. What does this team realistically have to/can give up to get him?

Staal
Miller
McIlrath

I dont think Miller and McIlrath would fetch much of anything - and trading Staal creates a huge hole.

So, yes, people can continue throwing name after name out there, but the reality is the Rangers dont have much to give.

 

[DelZottoHitTheNetJK]

Trading one of the better shut-down defenseman in the league for draft picks is stupid as it is.

And what cap space are you clearing? The space to sign Stastny? Net/net thats not much of a difference in terms of making the team better.

Unless you go with the thinking that the Rangers will magically be able to find a cheap replacement for Staal, which is a leap of faith if there ever was one.

The prospect of trading Staal requires looking towards the future. How much do you think Staal will command as a UFA? Do you think we'd be able to afford that contract? I definitely don't, and I don't think Staal is worth a penny over $5M which he will definitely get. Trade him now while his value is HIGH; as you said, he's an elite shut-down defensman. We could easily get a top 10 pick PLUS for him in this years draft. I sign Stralman and take that to the bank and run.

As for his replacement? You know, it would be great if a certain 1st round pick who we chose over Tarasenko would be ready to eat up some 3rd pairing minutes.. if not, Allen or Diaz would add a more offensive element to the team which is what AV is apparently looking for. And I agree with that idea; we do need more offense from our blue line

 

[GAGLine]

I think the Rangers are much better with a top four of McDonagh Girardi Staal and Klein than McDonagh Girardi Stralman and whoever replaces Staal because there is no way they can keep both.

The problem is that Stralman might be signed for 4 mil per year if we give him enough years. How much will Staal want next year?

 

[Bleed Ranger Blue]

The prospect of trading Staal requires looking towards the future. How much do you think Staal will command as a UFA? Do you think we'd be able to afford that contract? I definitely don't, and I don't think Staal is worth a penny over $5M which he will definitely get. Trade him now while his value is HIGH; as you said, he's an elite shut-down defensman. We could easily get a top 10 pick PLUS for him in this years draft. I sign Stralman and take that to the bank and run.

As for his replacement? You know, it would be great if a certain 1st round pick who we chose over Tarasenko would be ready to eat up some 3rd pairing minutes.. if not, Allen or Diaz would add a more offensive element to the team which is what AV is apparently looking for. And I agree with that idea; we do need more offense from our blue line

Normally I'm all for looking for the future, but with the MSL acquisition, Lundqvist being 32 years old, and a Stanley Cup final appearance, this team won't be trading Staal for a pick. That much I can assure you.

As for your second paragraph. Allen, Diaz, or McIlrath as replacements? Thats a disaster in the making and simply unacceptable.

 

[Fletch]

He might have wanted Cally. That said, I can't see him being disappointed to learn that he was getting St. Louis back.

didn't word that well enough. Someone acted like they wanted him by offering 6/$6MM (which may go against AV not wanting him), but perhaps they did it knowing the NTC was a sticking point they can't get over. In any event, as a coach you may look more for what you have today and I'm sure he said give me MSL for Cally and was happy. We're agreeing; I'm not wording things properly. My office is 90 degrees today; 70 in the hallways, but they don't want me, my desk, computer, IT and whatnot blocking the hallways. Something about a fire hazard.

 

[Savant]

I agree.


The negative, however, is Stralman walks for nothing and you still have the Staal contract issue to deal with.

Right but you have to deal with the Staal contract anyway. You can't move Staal to give attention to Stralman, and you can't trade Staal just to move him. Staal is a prime asset. I don't think losing Stralman really hurts the depth chart. Losing Staal tremendously hurts the team.

 

[Fletch]

Normally I'm all for looking for the future, but with the MSL acquisition, Lundqvist being 32 years old, and a Stanley Cup final appearance, this team won't be trading Staal for a pick. That much I can assure you.

As for your second paragraph. Allen, Diaz, or McIlrath as replacements? Thats a disaster in the making and simply unacceptable.

I agree, although you can trade for a pick and use part of the money saved on a UFA and, of course, deal the pick again for a rental. Not saying let's do it, but saying how it could work while focusing on 2015 (and, I guess, sacrificing the future).

 

[Bleed Ranger Blue]

I agree, although you can trade for a pick and use part of the money saved on a UFA and, of course, deal the pick again for a rental. Not saying let's do it, but saying how it could work while focusing on 2015 (and, I guess, sacrificing the future).

Sure, they could.

But the Stralman situation would need to be settled, and there'd need to be a suitable replacement out there to replace Staal, which I dont see. Thats a lot of moving parts.

 

[BarbaraAlphanse]

If Stralman walks I say you keep Staal, long term, and sign Niskanen to pair with him.

Allows Niskanen a defensively responsible partner that not only helps him grow as a better defender but will allow him to be more aggressive offensively, something that we desperately need.

If we're paying 4-4.5 mill for a RHD on the 2nd pairing, go with the youth. Dont go near Dan Boyle if he wants over 4 and to be playing 17-20 minutes a game.

 

[GAGLine]

If Stralman walks I say you keep Staal, long term, and sign Niskanen to pair with him.

Allows Niskanen a defensively responsible partner that not only helps him grow as a better defender but will allow him to be more aggressive offensively, something that we desperately need.

If we're paying 4-4.5 mill for a RHD on the 2nd pairing, go with the youth. Dont go near Dan Boyle if he wants over 4 and to be playing 17-20 minutes a game.

Niskanen isn't going to be cheap either. He'll get as much as Stralman, if not more.

 

[NYR Viper]

That's an interesting take, what about signing Niskanen if he will accept something reasonable, and then trading Staal for a young top-6 big center?

 

[BarbaraAlphanse]

Niskanen isn't going to be cheap either. He'll get as much as Stralman, if not more.

I understand, which is why I'm saying that if we're allocating that amount anyway, I'd rather pay Niskanen than Boyle.

 

[BarbaraAlphanse]

That's an interesting take, what about signing Niskanen if he will accept something reasonable, and then trading Staal for a young top-6 big center?

I think it's either Stralman or Staal, and then that's your core 3 for the next 5 or so years.

If Stralman walks, Staal should stay. Sign him long term.

Regardless, I think that the Rangers will have their 1c problems solved in just 2 years, when Nash is subsequently traded for prospects & picks, opening up enough cap space to sign Stamkos.

 

[NYR Viper]

I think it's either Stralman or Staal, and then that's your core 3 for the next 5 or so years.

If Stralman walks, Staal should stay. Sign him long term.

Regardless, I think that the Rangers will have their 1c problems solved in just 2 years, when Nash is subsequently traded for prospects & picks, opening up enough cap space to sign Stamkos.

But my question is this:

Who is providing offense from the back-end? If you keep McDonagh, Girardi and Stralman, it's Mac. If you keep McDonagh, Staal and Girardi it's Mac. If you grab Niskanen and keep McDonagh and Girardi it's Niskanen and Mac.

 

[aufheben]

Wouldn't touch Niskanen with a ten foot pole, personally.

 

[GAGLine]

But my question is this:

Who is providing offense from the back-end? If you keep McDonagh, Girardi and Stralman, it's Mac. If you keep McDonagh, Staal and Girardi it's Mac. If you grab Niskanen and keep McDonagh and Girardi it's Niskanen and Mac.

I don't think we can afford all of Mac, Staal, Girardi and Niskanen. Maybe this year, but not next year when Staal is due a raise.

Maybe we let Stralman go, sign Niskanen, and then trade Staal for a young RH dman like Vatanen or Barrie. That would give us:

McD - Girardi
Niskanen-Klein
Moore-Vatanen/Barrie

 

[BarbaraAlphanse]

But my question is this:

Who is providing offense from the back-end? If you keep McDonagh, Girardi and Stralman, it's Mac. If you keep McDonagh, Staal and Girardi it's Mac. If you grab Niskanen and keep McDonagh and Girardi it's Niskanen and Mac.

If you keep Stralman, you're able to trade Staal for more offense up front.

If you keep Staal, you pair him with someone like Niskanen, who will provide as much offense as McD will.

Between McD and Niskanen, we'd have 95-100 points.

The other 4 guys should get us to around 150-160. G 25, Staal 15, Moore 15, Klein 10.