They bought-out Richards so they don't have a future problem, given his perceived decline in skills. That money would be used on whichever players are deemed to make the team better, be it currently on the roster or UFAs or through trades in which what's coming back costs more than what's going out as well as retain players they want to keep. It's the whole kit and kaboodle. I'm not saying sign Boyle, but one highlighted weakness from the finals was the PP point, and the PP as a whole. As GM, you should inquire. Doesn't mean you're going to pull the trigger on any amount, but all options need to be explored to fill as many holes as you can to ice the best team possible. Status quo wasn't going to work, and that's out the window anyways since one piece, Richards, who for all his shortcomings was a cog to a SCF team, is no longer with them.
Speculation: 2014 Offseason - Roster Building / Trade Speculation Thread IV
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They bought-out Richards so they don't have a future problem, given his perceived decline in skills. That money would be used on whichever players are deemed to make the team better, be it currently on the roster or UFAs or through trades in which what's coming back costs more than what's going out as well as retain players they want to keep. It's the whole kit and kaboodle. I'm not saying sign Boyle, but one highlighted weakness from the finals was the PP point, and the PP as a whole. As GM, you should inquire. Doesn't mean you're going to pull the trigger on any amount, but all options need to be explored to fill as many holes as you can to ice the best team possible. Status quo wasn't going to work, and that's out the window anyways since one piece, Richards, who for all his shortcomings was a cog to a SCF team, is no longer with them.
Based on all of the reports, the Rangers are playing it tough with Stralman. They've seemingly set their limit at 4 years. If the difference between losing Stralman or keeping him is an extra 2 years, and they refuse to go the extra 2 years, that is a blunder IMO.
Is it a likely fact that Sather loses interest in Boyle after hearing the demands? I'm not so sure, the track record speaks volumes, IMO.
They can do their due diligence, but the fact their due diligence includes a 38 year old seeking 5 million per is reason enough to start getting worried.
Their due diligence also included 35 year old Joe Thornton, and injury prone Spezza. Not instilling tge same kind of confidence i had a week ago.
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I'm not sure the issue was from the point though. They really lacked a serious net front presence and someone who can really snipe the puck consistently. McDonagh was good on the point. I think MZA would be good next to him out there.
Who can pick corners consistently on offense?
Yet, nothing has changed at all.
Ill get worried when a ****** deal is announced.
Exactly.
And so is Staal.
The minute Vigneault was hired, they should have been looking at the long-term picture and guage who fits the style and system Vugneault and his staff were going to be growing.
4.5 for Stralman or 6+ for Staal?
4.5 for Stralman or 5 for Boyle?
McDonagh - Girardi
x - Stralman
Moore - Klein
There are 3 guys there that can legitimately skate at a high level.
McDonagh - Girardi
Staal - x
Moore - Klein
Now there are 2.
And it isn't just about the skating. Vigneault is heavy into the newer stats like Corsi. Stralman is his kind of player.
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agreed.
I'd be more concerned in the Rangers brass didn't check in with every FA they think can help.
We have between the 25th and 30th to talk to players about roles and situations. They should split the FA pool into three groups and have Sather and a few minions attack one group, Gorton and a few minions attack another and Clarke and a few minions attack the last group.
get together on Monday and compare notes.
you may find a few guys that wouldn't mind coming here on the cheap. Who knows.
If you don't ask the questions, you will NEVER know the answer.
Kick tires on everyone.
I too am not sure the issues is from the point, however, the point play decreased with the loss of Richards, believe it or not, and that's an important position. Personally I think it's an upfront issue, which is tougher to change since you have some guys who aren't going anywhere. Perhaps the answer lies with Kreider's big body in front of the net fighting it out and getting the loose pucks in front of the net and deflecting point shots. A different strategy than pass as much as possible and create an opening.
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I think a full season of evaluation is needed to see who fits and who doesn't.
Guys took almost half a season just to learn the system. Another half a season refining it. I don't think you can get a full understanding of who does and doesn't get it.
I think that MDZ was the exception and not the rule in the sense of being dealt mid season while learning a new more complex system. The fact that he **** the bed in Nashville leads me to believe that the Rangers had thsi feeling about him and were probably looking at moving him over the summer and the deal was finally consumated mid season.
Trades in the NHL USUALLY take a few weeks/months to hash out. Even the simplest swaps like this.
I can see Staal getting moved tomorrow as much as I can see him standing on the NYR bench on opening night at MSG
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Odd that the people who kill Sather are the ones who are giving him the benefit of the doubt. For me, it's more because of the constraints around Sather, vis-a-vis the lack of assets and the lack of cap space.
Same here.
And he has a team that just made the final (and did so playing the way he likes - for now), so Im less inclined to think hes going to do something really drastic and stupid.
And, to your point, the bounds of reality handcuff him quite a bit. No assets, No cap space.
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Eh, when AV was first brought in, he even said he was going to evaluate his players. Normally after the 1st season is when a coach likes to put his stamp on the team.
What do you know that the best GMs in this league don't?
Players loose their game, or they don't. Gabby won't play on a 4th line in LA when he is 36 y/o to collect a paycheck if his body fails him.
In 7 years, Stralman will be 35 and the cap will be 100m. He would be a steal then. Or he will be Kim Johnson II, I can't rule that out. If the later scenario happens, he wouldn't hurt us either. It's some inbetween scenario that would hurt us, a bit. On the other hand, it's not only a risk -- it's also a great opertunity. Most players like Stralman peak when they are 34-35. He could become a huge steal too at like 3.8-4m on a front loaded deal.
All the best GMs use these contracts. I am not inventing the wheel here, merely asking why we can't do what the best GMs do.
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You could argue that AV has already put is stamp on this team. Del Zotto out. Pyatt out. Callahan out. The likes of Asham and Powe never in.
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Maybe. I am sure he used his personnel as best as he could but if he had more say into his players, I am sure he has as couple of changes he would like to see.
Open for business
to me Klein is more reliable than Moore so loosing Stralman and giving some minutes to Klein is not horrible.
Sign Boyle for some of those minutes and the PP. McIlrath should also be close
LD has Allen and Skjei but who knows when / if they will be ready. Keep Staal
Sign Boyle for some of those minutes and the PP. McIlrath should also be close
LD has Allen and Skjei but who knows when / if they will be ready. Keep Staal
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That's true, although he may have wanted Callahan in, but Sather didn't want him in at the cost, since they did try initially to keep him. But then again, perhaps they gave Callahan an offer they knew he would refuse. Should be an exciting week ahead.
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Byfuglien would be a big add for this team.
Right-handed booming shot from the point.
They finished with a positive record last year.
Really, I'd love any of:
Ladd, Wheeler, Bogosian, Scheifele.
How? By trading Staal we clear cap space and re-stock our draft picks in one fell swoop. That cap space can be used to address a glaring need. Staal also has a year left on his deal and his value is high. It's actually extremely productive
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Which GM's are you referring to? Holmgren who has Pronger on LTIR because Pronger suffered a career ending injury? Chiarelli who has Savard on LTIR because he suffered a career ending injury? Or maybe Yzerman, who has Ohlund on LTIR because he suffered a career ending injury. None of these players will play again because they are physically incapable of playing, not because they suck and the team wanted to get rid of them.
Any GM that tries to put a player on LTIR indefinitely when the player doesn't have an injury that prohibits him from playing will get hammered by the NHL for circumvention. You think I'm wrong? Tell me which GMs have done it.
I'm not saying that we shouldn't give Stralman 7 years. What I'm saying is that giving him 7 years isn't remotely the same as giving Gaborik 7 years, because the expectation is that Stralman is going to play out the entire contract and Gaborik likely won't.
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Gilbert should come cheap. Came off a $3.5M contract that was bought out then started on a mkinimum $900,000 salary this year.
Can't see him taking more than 2, regardless of performacne
Boyle on a one year deal with incentives that would count against cap next season would be perfect IMO.
That gives Allen and McIlrath another year to develop without being force fed.
Let's face it...someone is giving Stralman 5 / $4.5 which is too much term and money for a guy who privodes little offense.
We all wanted Richards gone for obvious reasons, but he did QB the PP for us. We need someone other than McD to play the point. Boyle would be perfect.
Of course if its 2 x $5.5m I would feel differently.
That gives Allen and McIlrath another year to develop without being force fed.
Let's face it...someone is giving Stralman 5 / $4.5 which is too much term and money for a guy who privodes little offense.
We all wanted Richards gone for obvious reasons, but he did QB the PP for us. We need someone other than McD to play the point. Boyle would be perfect.
Of course if its 2 x $5.5m I would feel differently.
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