Speculation: 2014 Offseason - Roster Building / Trade Speculation Thread IV

[EpicDing]

How about Fast for Morin? I really think the Rangers should grab him. Let him start in Poo's spot and go from there.

Also, he's from NY and was on the 2010 WJC team we're apparently collecting.

 

[Fletch]

Bad management is trading Klein. If they want to get Stralman that money, find it somewhere else in the lineup. Klein on a great contract for a guy who can play top-4 D minutes.

I wrote something long then read Rangerboy's post...Klein is an insurance policy. He's a $2.9M insurance policy against Girardi or Stralman getting hurt. That's a big insurance policy. If Stralman is signed, he will still be third on the depth chart of right defensemen. Do you pay $2.9MM for a guy third on the defense depth charts who isn't an offensive specialist on the PP at the expense of losing Stralman, or is that where you find the money, take a chance and try to move Klein; or, do you not break the bank for Stralman, save the money and maybe acquire more offense and Klein steps into Stralman's shoes and you got lighter on the third pair defense charts and now you do have a cheap top four defenseman as opposed to a defenseman capable of playing top four and under a good contract for what he is capable of doing? Having said that, you don't trade Staal if you lose Stralman, and unfortunately this decision needs to be made in five days and trading Staal is a decision for which you'd want more than five days to decide, and you need to find if it's even feasible. Tight spot.

 

[Ola]

What is Stralman looking for? The Rangers shouldn't give anyone a blank check. $4M. 4-5 years. Anything more and he can get it from another team. Stralman will be overpaid. Looking at the free agent market for defensemen,Stralman will probably get more than the Rangers want to pay. Niskanen is getting 7 years as a free agent. This is why the Rangers acquired Kevin Klein. The Rangers had two right-handed shooting D as pending group III's. The Rangers signed Girardi. They are trying to sign Stralman. Klein will replace Stralman if they can't re-sign him. Some people will say the Rangers made a mistake in signing Girardi instead of Stralman. Where were those people last February? AV did say Klein can play top 4 minutes because he was a top 4 D in Nashville.

In hindsight it was a misstake not letting Girardi walk, since we made the SCFs. We are at a diffrent place mentally now than in February.

We shouldn't have traded him either.

 

[Lime]

Is this the first time teams have been able to speak to free agents leading up to July 1st? Should make free agent day more eventful. I never understood how players could decide in a couple hours where they wanted to spend the next however-many years anyway.

 

[NYR Viper]

http://nypost.com/2014/06/25/rangers-interested-in-offensive-defenseman-dan-boyle/

2 years/$10M. Boyle will get that in free agency.

That's too much for 37 year old

Derek Roy would be a nice pickup. Should come cheap and slots into 3C with no issue.

Another slow, undersized center

You folks all know that wasting cap space that could be spend on Stralman on a guy like Boyle, who would immediately become only the 2nd best offensive dman on this team and probably the 5th best defensively, would be a silly thing to do.

Whether Sather agrees remains to be seen.

I want offense from the blueline, what I don't want is a pricey overpaid defensive liability good for about 30 points in our current setup.

Exactly. Look elsewhere

I saw Vrbata play 40+ times last year. No thanks.

I do gave a much higher opinion of Boyle than most though. Not interested at 2 years/$10 MM but interested. He wasn't nearly as bad last year as some people seem to think.

If he would accept a 1 year deal or a 2 year deal at maybe 7-8 million that's one thing. 10 is too much.

One under the radar guy who could be a real good value is Tom Gilbert.

This is 100% true.

Friedman.
The Jets are willing to trade Evander Kane. Zach Bogosian’s name has come up.

Price would probably be insane.. but imagine him with Mac on the PP!?

I would LOVE either, but I doubt the Rangers have what it takes to get either.

I wonder if a package of John Moore + JT Miller + would get a conversation started for Bogo if Stralman leaves.

Saw on the trade boards that CHI has no room for Jeremy Morin, as they're keeping Sharp and Saad in as their top 6 LWs, and his game is not meant for a bottom 6 role.

If there's ever a player that was getting blocked and was ready to breakout, it's him. He's gotten better every year and still can't crack the Hawks' lineup.

I'd want to get in on that if we had more picks.

This would be an incredibly shrewd move. I doubt Sather and staff are looking that deep. He would be a better fit than Pouliot and cost less.

Moving Staal to accommodate Stastny is COUNTER PRODUCTIVE

If they re-signed Stralman and were able to move Staal for, say E. Kane, and then signed Stastny for 6-7 million? Offense immediately become MUCH better. Defense takes a hit.

You can't give Staal 6 million a year. He provides 0 offense. $500,000 per point? You can't tie up a large chunk of cap space on all of the defensemen who provide 0 offense. Stralman or Staal, pick one. And if it's Stralman where does that leave McIlrath? Girardi, Stralman, Klein locked up long term.

I am in a similar boat. I really like Staal's game, but as far as a defenseman who is comfortable handling the puck, it's not him.

 

[Ola]

I get a bit bitter when you see LAK resign Gabby that cheap.

Slats is never able to work the cap like that. WHY are we fighting Stralman tooths and nails to get him to sign for 4 years instead of 5???

The AAV matters -- not -- the term. LA know -- they know -- that odds are extremely low for Gabby to break down completely but not retire/go on LTIR.

Neither CHI nor LA would ever have won a cup without these type of deals. They would barely have been contenders. But we are supposed to compete with them despite never front loading deals?

Stupid.

 

[haohmaru]

I get a bit bitter when you see LAK resign Gabby that cheap.

Slats is never able to work the cap like that. WHY are we fighting Stralman tooths and nails to get him to sign for 4 years instead of 5???

The AAV matters -- not -- the term. LA know -- they know -- that odds are extremely low for Gabby to break down completely but not retire/go on LTIR.

Neither CHI nor LA would ever have won a cup without these type of deals. They would barely have been contenders. But we are supposed to compete with them despite never front loading deals?

Stupid.

How much value do you think the Kings are going to get out of that contract? Gaborik is 32 and that contract runs until he's 39. He has 23 regular season goals in the past TWO YEARS COMBINED.

If Slats made a deal like this we'd all be seething and *****ing about how the guy never plays a full season and always gets hurt and how we should be playing our young guys.

We're fighting tooth and nail about Stralman because there's only so many pieces of the pie to spread around. Look at our UFA's and RFA's - Sather has to be frugal to keep as much of this team together as possible. Someone will overpay for Stralman and that's why Klein is here. I like Anton and his elevated playoff run, but it's bad business to give him what someone else probably will for the sake of keeping him. Both sides have to make it work for them.

 

[Ail]

I get a bit bitter when you see LAK resign Gabby that cheap.

Slats is never able to work the cap like that. WHY are we fighting Stralman tooths and nails to get him to sign for 4 years instead of 5???

The AAV matters -- not -- the term. LA know -- they know -- that odds are extremely low for Gabby to break down completely but not retire/go on LTIR.

Neither CHI nor LA would ever have won a cup without these type of deals. They would barely have been contenders. But we are supposed to compete with them despite never front loading deals?

Stupid.

Not to mention not knowing who you have to pay and when to pay them. I was actually pleasantly surprised they did the right thing regarding Callahan. As mentioned Girardi looks like it may have been the wrong move in hindsight, but at the time almost everyone here liked it.

I am looking at Stralman like LA looked at Gaborik. Something good came along and it worked out very well for them. Let's take the gamble ride it out for better or worse. I'd prefer 6 years over 7, but just work with him rather than llaying hardball. I feel like Sather and co. wants to have their cake and eat it too.

 

[Ola]

Haohmarou- We shouldn't give Stralman a blank check, but do you want to bet that the length of Stralmans contract in hindsight won't be a killer?

LAK knows -- KNOWS -- Gabby will retire or go on LTIR if he looses his game.

 

[Ail]

How much value do you think the Kings are going to get out of that contract? Gaborik is 32 and that contract runs until he's 39. He has 23 regular season goals in the past TWO YEARS COMBINED.

If Slats made a deal like this we'd all be seething and *****ing about how the guy never plays a full season and always gets hurt and how we should be playing our young guys.

We're fighting tooth and nail about Stralman because there's only so many pieces of the pie to spread around. Look at our UFA's and RFA's - Sather has to be frugal to keep as much of this team together as possible. Someone will overpay for Stralman and that's why Klein is here. I like Anton and his elevated playoff run, but it's bad business to give him what someone else probably will for the sake of keeping him. Both sides have to make it work for them.

It's not Stralman vs. Klein, it is Stralman versus Staal. Either way one of them has to be replaced. People feel we already have a replacement for Stralman in Klein and I wholeheartedly disagree with that. Not to mention Stralman looks to be the anchor on that pairing statistically, making him the even harder player to replace. Staal is a compliment just as Girardi is to McDonagh. Which of McD and Girardi is the easier guy to replace? Hypothetically if someone was saying let McD walk because the Rangers have Staal to fill his minutes the board would be in an uproar because it is clear Staal is not the player McDonagh is, both statistically and visually. It is the same for Stralman and Klein. Can Klein play in Stralman's place? Sure. Will he do it as well? No, probably not. I'm not sure where people are getting this idea Klein was brought here to replace Stralman, based on what? One question AV answered regarding Klein's ability to play top4 minutes? That's more like an honest and candid answer to a hypothetical question.

Lastly, when it comes down to money, Staal is going to cost more probably in the tune of 1-1.5 million more a year to play the exact same minutes.

 

[eco's bones]

Gaborik on a contract until he's 39 is way too much at this point. A real roll of the dice. The numbers are nice (at least for now) but the term is just crazy. But that's the Kings keeping their team together and guys like Gaborik and Greene (who just signed as well) don't want to leave a championship team.

Anyway 5 more days including today and with the draft in the middle of it all. Probably be a lot of player movement at the draft. Just has that feel.

This UFA market doesn't look to have a lot of bargains. The d-men are mostly in their 30's and/or bottom pairing guys. Some of them are late 30's.

I still see the Rangers signing 3-4 forwards and 1 d-man.

 

[GAGLine]

If they re-signed Stralman and were able to move Staal for, say E. Kane, and then signed Stastny for 6-7 million? Offense immediately become MUCH better. Defense takes a hit.

We'd also have a small problem of being about 7 mil over the cap.

 

[NYR Viper]

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This is a player the Rangers should be ALL OVER.

Free 1st round pick. Give him what he wants. Power forward, plays center and wing. Send Kreider out to talk to him.

 

[silverfish]

If Stralman doesn't re-up by late tonight, and the talks don't progress, we should see if one of the teams who has called him will throw a 4th rounder at us for early negotiating rights.

 

[Fletch]

Gaborik on a contract until he's 39 is way too much at this point. A real roll of the dice. The numbers are nice (at least for now) but the term is just crazy. But that's the Kings keeping their team together and guys like Gaborik and Greene (who just signed as well) don't want to leave a championship team.

Anyway 5 more days including today and with the draft in the middle of it all. Probably be a lot of player movement at the draft. Just has that feel.

This UFA market doesn't look to have a lot of bargains. The d-men are mostly in their 30's and/or bottom pairing guys. Some of them are late 30's.

I still see the Rangers signing 3-4 forwards and 1 d-man.

it does seem crazy, but it also seemed crazy that St. Louis would have a 69 point season as he's getting ready to turn 39. I too am scared about contracts that take players into their late 30s and carry $5-6MM (or $6.67MM) cap hits, albeit smaller portions towards the end making them moveable, but it's happening and seems to be a strategy a few GMs employ to have smaller cap hits today with who they believe to be good players to enable them to remain a top team. Like I said, scary business but the present value of the returns is what GMs look for in the business.

 

[UAGoalieGuy]

This is a player the Rangers should be ALL OVER.

Free 1st round pick. Give him what he wants. Power forward, plays center and wing. Send Kreider out to talk to him.

When does he become a UFA? August 15th or sooner then that?

 

[GAGLine]

Haohmarou- We shouldn't give Stralman a blank check, but do you want to bet that the length of Stralmans contract in hindsight won't be a killer?

LAK knows -- KNOWS -- Gabby will retire or go on LTIR if he looses his game.

You really need to stop suggesting that as a way to get rid of players. In order to be placed on LTIR for the rest of his contract, the player has to be injured and unable to play for the rest of his contract.

And concerning Stralman, the difference is that he is 27. Even if we give him max years, he'll be 35 when the contract ends. He isn't going to retire before then, barring a career ending injury, but that's not something we should be banking on.

 

[Bleed Ranger Blue]

If Stralman doesn't re-up by late tonight, and the talks don't progress, we should see if one of the teams who has called him will throw a 4th rounder at us for early negotiating rights.

Stralman is likely not signing before July 1. Any team can talk to him starting yesterday. Theres no value in throwing a pick over for exclusive rights because, starting yesterday, theres really no such thing.

 

[SupersonicMonkey*]

Dan Boyle wants 5m per for 2 years...

And the Rangers are "interested".

Yet, are hard-balling Stralman over an extra couple of years?

4.5 for 6 years for Stralman. Do it.

5 for 2 years of 38 and then 39 year old Dan Boyle??

Save us, please.

 

[NYR Viper]

it does seem crazy, but it also seemed crazy that St. Louis would have a 69 point season as he's getting ready to turn 39. I too am scared about contracts that take players into their late 30s and carry $5-6MM (or $6.67MM) cap hits, albeit smaller portions towards the end making them moveable, but it's happening and seems to be a strategy a few GMs employ to have smaller cap hits today with who they believe to be good players to enable them to remain a top team. Like I said, scary business but the present value of the returns is what GMs look for in the business.

The other question is, at 37-38, if he is still a 20 goal scorer and a serious threat on the PP, which is very possible ala Ray Whitney, is that cap hit about right? It's very possible it is.

When does he become a UFA? August 15th or sooner then that?

Correct

 

[Bleed Ranger Blue]

Dan Boyle wants 5m per for 2 years...

And the Rangers are "interested".

Yet, are hard-balling Stralman over an extra couple of years?

4.5 for 6 years for Stralman. Do it.

5 for 2 years of 38 and then 39 year old Dan Boyle??

Save us, please.

I like how the Rangers doing their due diligence and checking in on other free agents is viewed like this.

Likely fact: Rangers placed a call for D. Boyle's agent.

Not a fact: Rangers are still interested after hearing a price

Definitely not a fact: Rangers are prioritizing Boyle over Stralman

I am a bit worried, however, that Sather will lose site of the strong defensive foundation this team has in order to push to improve the offense. We'll see.

 

[SupersonicMonkey*]

It's like the old-boy's club all over again. Buy-out Richards' 6.67 cap hit, but hand 5 million of it to a 38 year old? What?

Wasn't the point of buying out Richards so they could retain their own UFAs and RFAs?

This is what that was for. Re-sign Stralman. Everytime one of our own EARNS a pay-raise with the club, Sather hard-balls them. But, he is willing to dump a truck load of cash on some mercinary that hasn't proven they can handle playing in New York, hasn't proven they fit in the locker room.

It's backwards.

 

[SingnBluesOnBroadway]

Everytime one of our own EARNS a pay-raise with the club, Sather hard-balls them.

Who are you referring to?

 

[SingnBluesOnBroadway]

the Rangers doing their due diligence.

Finally, someone said it.

 

[NYR Viper]

It's like the old-boy's club all over again. Buy-out Richards' 6.67 cap hit, but hand 5 million of it to a 38 year old? What?

Wasn't the point of buying out Richards so they could retain their own UFAs and RFAs?

This is what that was for. Re-sign Stralman. Everytime one of our own EARNS a pay-raise with the club, Sather hard-balls them. But, he is willing to dump a truck load of cash on some mercinary that hasn't proven they can handle playing in New York, hasn't proven they fit in the locker room.

It's backwards.

I really can't understand the desire for Boyle. This team is about transition and speed with the defensemen joining the rush. Moore. Stralman. McDonagh. All good skaters. Even Klein has proven to be a very good fit. Boyle can move the puck but he is SLOW