Speculation: 2014 Offseason - Roster Building / Trade Speculation Thread III

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I think somewhere in the neighborhood of $4-4.5M is market value for a 2nd pair dman. I like Staal, but he's never going to get top pair minutes with McDonagh here. He's going to want to be paid like a first pair guy, and there are plenty of teams that would love to pay him. Our problem is that we don't have anyone who can step into the void left by Staal. Moore is a bottom pair guy, and I haven't seen the progression in his game to make me believe he will be able to handle 2nd pair minutes anytime soon. Skjei looks like he could be the guy, but he's at least a couple years away. I think we should trade Staal to a team looking to upgrade. Maybe get back a young 2nd pair guy (downgrade from our perspective) and a forward prospect. I don't know if there's a deal to be made out there, but that's what I would look for.
 
The Rangers are in no position to be losing Staal for nothing. Their options are giving him a rich contract or trading him.

our options are :

trading him. only.

we just gave girardi a sweet deal. the organization loves anton stralman and needs to resign him to a fair deal which i believe he will sign and we have conor allen waiting to earn a spot in camp.

marc staal right now brings back nice value. we have no 1st rounders for next 2 yrs.

you either move him for a centerman or a roster player and a 1st rounder. draft day perhaps ?

dont want another callahan thing and we dont want him getting hurt. he will be in demand.

i see no other option.
 
we made it to the finals because henrik was in godmode.

we couldnt score. offensively we stunk. alot.

we were shutout. we didnt generate anything in many games. our pp was abysmal and sucked the life out of us nightly.

we were lucky to survive the pitts series and same with the habs. if not for hank playing insane in big games, we lose and things look alot different right now.

not scoring is our problem. defensively we are strong and even without marc staal, we are still very good with hank in net.

we need goals. we need offensive talent. we need to create chances.

that begins up the middle.

On the flip side of that as well, if your offense is better, that means you will most likely have the puck more. Having the puck is the best type of defense.
 
The Rangers are in no position to be losing Staal for nothing. Their options are giving him a rich contract or trading him.

If those are the options, better sooner than later. You don't want to be stuck losing both Staal and Stralman in the upcoming season.
 
The Rangers are in no position to be losing Staal for nothing. Their options are giving him a rich contract or trading him.

Well I never advocated losing Staal for nothing. In fact, one of my biggest concerns this past season was that the Rangers would let Callahan, Girardi, etc. walk away for nothing. However, I remain unconvinced that the Rangers learned their lesson from last year and wouldn't be surprised if Staal enters the season without an extension.
 
I don't think Stastny really is a clear top 1C, getting overrated here. Over the past 3-4 seasons I don't think he's been far better than Stepan. He hasn't had a big year since 2009-10.
 
I think somewhere in the neighborhood of $4-4.5M is market value for a 2nd pair dman. I like Staal, but he's never going to get top pair minutes with McDonagh here. He's going to want to be paid like a first pair guy, and there are plenty of teams that would love to pay him. Our problem is that we don't have anyone who can step into the void left by Staal. Moore is a bottom pair guy, and I haven't seen the progression in his game to make me believe he will be able to handle 2nd pair minutes anytime soon. Skjei looks like he could be the guy, but he's at least a couple years away. I think we should trade Staal to a team looking to upgrade. Maybe get back a young 2nd pair guy (downgrade from our perspective) and a forward prospect. I don't know if there's a deal to be made out there, but that's what I would look for.

I could get on board with this, especially if the 2nd pair guy can contribute offensively on a consistent basis. I'm willing to downgrade defensively on D if it means we will have more offense from the back end.
 
Would anyone consider a Evander Kane for Marc Staal premise for a deal? Winnepeg needs LD. There was talk they may move Buff so they may need a top-4 d-man. Enstrom and Buff and Bogo are Right Handed.

Kane has the same consistency problems as Nash, albeit even worse production.

Trxjw mentioned Scheifele their 21 y/o center prospect. I read up on him and the more I read the more I like him. I just don't think he'd be realistic for Staal b/c what are the chances that Staal is convinced to resign there.

He's married, has a child. The place he goes to has to be appealing for a family. Has to be a good hockey team so he feels accomplishment. Wpg? I don't know.
 
The NHL awards are tonight. Interview period begins tomorrow. NHL BOG meeting on Thursday. Draft on Friday night and Saturday morning. Prospect camp on Monday. Free agency on Tuesday. Two active days. Quiet on the 4th. Arbitration on the 5th. That's the off season in two weeks. Hearings are later in July.
 
The Rangers are in no position to be losing Staal for nothing. Their options are giving him a rich contract or trading him.

Preferring the latter of the two options you list, I think his value is highest now and that he should be traded at the draft.
 
this thread has been gold so far and its interesting to see everyone's speculation and ideas on what moves were gonna make.

BUT can anyone give me a roster of what's likely to happen?

Kreider-Stepan-Nash
Poo-brass-zucc
Hags-miller-MSL
Boyle-moore-carcillo

McD-G
Staal-McI/Stralman
Moore-Klein

Trade Dorsett for draft picks and keep carcillo for cheap (nothing against Dorsett)
 
Well I never advocated losing Staal for nothing. In fact, one of my biggest concerns this past season was that the Rangers would let Callahan, Girardi, etc. walk away for nothing. However, I remain unconvinced that the Rangers learned their lesson from last year and wouldn't be surprised if Staal enters the season without an extension.

I think everyone who is entertaining the idea of trading Staal would want a young center or winger in return. Trading him for "nothing" would hurt this team in so many ways.
 
lets create some context here.

first, hank has perhaps 3 more elite years left. he wants a cup. deserves one. 3 years.

we are not gonna tear down or do much to last years roster. we have a few guys who are gone and a few spots to fill. we made it to the scf last year. we may well be only a few players away.

lets make this easy.

3 areas to address.

1. we cant score.

2. we have dmen who cant all get paid big bank

3. our free agents need to be resigned or let go.


richards is gone. he MUST be replaced. sure stepan and brass can play but they are both similar. neither are true scorers and neither are true elite first line centerman and neither have shown anything with nash.

solution. either stay with what we have and add miller to the mix as the 3c or add a player. do you add that player via trade or sign him to a deal and keep your players. i say add another center.

stasny adds what we need now. doesnt cost players and will give us that playmaking centerman to play with nash, take pp faceoffs and play 1st line minutes for the next 3 years as we make a push for the cup. stasny is a very solid 2 way guy who would flourish with kreider and nash.

there arent many other options. unlike ror, with staz its only money.

stralman must be resigned. staal must be moved. thats it. stralman has shown hes a perfect fit in this av system. hes a horse. hes healthy and he can be signed for a value contract. he wants to play here.

staal has value. but hes also one hit away from no value. right now healthy, he can bring back value and clear space. we are fortunate we are fairly deep defensively and with a top 6 of mcd, stral, girardi, klein, moore and say conor allen, we are still very strong. you deal from strength. adding a young forward or centerman to groom would be smart asset management while clearing space. staal will command a big number. we cant afford him.

dom moore and poo both need to return. boyle can walk. miller can take his minutes.

i see no other options other than some crazy trade that perhaps makes us young er and better but also removes a roster player from last years team that was very close.

score more goals. have a better powerplay and play the same av style defense without marc staal.

it can be done. and we can be back to the finals again without a major roster upheaval.

I agree, i think we're a center away from bringing all the pieces together.

Step 1 we can't score.

How do we fix that? Look at who was unproductive for us in the post season. Nash, Richards and Dorset come to mind. We've taken care of Richards, and Nash has a no trade clause to his contract. So I think were gonna be stuck with him. Dorset could be used with Stall and Klien as trade pieces with to compensate for the loss of Richards at center.

Step 2 we have dmen who cant all get paid big bank

How do we fix that? Use what we have and possibly trade for what we don't have. In my opinion Giraridi is over paid and would love to trade him instead of Stall. However, I don't see that as a viable possibility. Unfortunately as much as I love Stralman, he has to be let go, simply because we cant afford him.

3. our free agents need to be resigned or let go.

I believe that we should try in every way possible to keep this group together. and priority of free agent signing is as follows:

1) Krider
2) Zucc
3) Brass
4) Pouliot
5) Boyal
6) J. Moore
7) D. Moore

Of course I'd like to sign Stralman, but I don't think we can afford to keep him with everyone else possibly leaving. Another thing to keep in mind is aside from Nash, at the end of the 2016 season we have zero forwards on contract
 
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Would anyone consider a Evander Kane for Marc Staal premise for a deal? Winnepeg needs LD. There was talk they may move Buff so they may need a top-4 d-man. Enstrom and Buff and Bogo are Right Handed.

Would be interested.

Id imagine the Rangers would have to sweeten the pot given Staal's contract situation.
 
Would be interested.

Id imagine the Rangers would have to sweeten the pot given Staal's contract situation.

So why not search for a team where you not only get a better player than Evander Kane... but you also don't have to sweeten the pot...
 
Why does this team have so much trouble resigning players? Tick Tock. Days away from losing everyone for nothing. Guys are basically UFA tomorrow.
 
Would be interested.

Id imagine the Rangers would have to sweeten the pot given Staal's contract situation.

That's another issue. I have no problem seeing what Staal would fetch on his own. But once you have to add, then it gets tricky. Say goodbye to our first round pick in 2016, I guess...
 
Why does this team have so much trouble resigning players? Tick Tock. Days away from losing everyone for nothing. Guys are basically UFA tomorrow.

Because players are interested in maximizing their values. Why would you characterize this as some sort of failure on the Rangers part?
 
we made it to the finals because henrik was in godmode.

we couldnt score. offensively we stunk. alot.

we were shutout. we didnt generate anything in many games. our pp was abysmal and sucked the life out of us nightly.

we were lucky to survive the pitts series and same with the habs. if not for hank playing insane in big games, we lose and things look alot different right now.

not scoring is our problem. defensively we are strong and even without marc staal, we are still very good with hank in net.

we need goals. we need offensive talent. we need to create chances.

that begins up the middle.

What the **** are you talking about?

Games 2, 3 and 4 against Pitts were a joke, nothing to say there. Team blows out Pittsburgh in game 5, game 6 Henrik made some big saves but the team played very well, game 7 Henrik absolutely stole. No way around it.

We blew out the Habs 7-1, won 3-1 after Henrik had a stellar 1st period game 2, game 3 was the flukiest fluke to ever fluke, game 4 it was a goalie duel and both teams getting robbed a few times, game 5 Henrik played like ass as well as the rest of the defense. Game 6 Henrik made one big save, and we gave Montreal NOTHING.

To say Hank is the main reason is just total ignorance and it patronizes how well our depth players and defense were playing. He only had to steal one game on the way there, granted it was a game 7.
 
Would anyone consider a Evander Kane for Marc Staal premise for a deal? Winnepeg needs LD. There was talk they may move Buff so they may need a top-4 d-man. Enstrom and Buff and Bogo are Right Handed.

I'd be more interested if Kane was a center.
 
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