Speculation: 2014 Offseason - Roster Building / Trade Speculation Thread III

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this thread has been gold so far and its interesting to see everyone's speculation and ideas on what moves were gonna make.

BUT can anyone give me a roster of what's likely to happen?
 
Richards was supposed to be the guy for Nash. Never materialized. You go bring in another center and that guy has zero chemistry with Nash.
 
Hossa struggled in postseason scoring and eventually overcame over the years he's played....


This is essentially Ricks 3rd PO appearance, if you want to count the first time with Columbus...

I think his main problem id he does too much himself...

Stephan is weak....
 
It seems like some posters are ignoring Staal's positive contributions. He played some great hockey after he came back from his concussion and was our best defenseman through the first half of the playoffs. In fact, he played so well that analysts and fans were saying Staal should still be considered one of the best defenders in the game. Staal is not some run-of-the-mill middle pairing defenseman that can easily be replaced.
 
Hossa struggled in postseason scoring and eventually overcame over the years he's played....


This is essentially Ricks 3rd PO appearance, if you want to count the first time with Columbus...

I think his main problem id he does too much himself...

Stephan is weak....

Yeah Stepan is not the reason Nash sucks at finishing. He does his job.
 
It seems like some posters are ignoring Staal's positive contributions. He played some great hockey after he came back from his concussion and was our best defenseman through the first half of the playoffs. In fact, he played so well that analysts and fans were saying Staal should still be considered one of the best defenders in the game. Staal is not some run-of-the-mill middle pairing defenseman that can easily be replaced.

Are you paying him $6 million per or more in a long-term contract? Staal is eligible to walk out the door next July.
 
Hossa struggled in postseason scoring and eventually overcame over the years he's played....


This is essentially Ricks 3rd PO appearance, if you want to count the first time with Columbus...

I think his main problem id he does too much himself...

Stephan is weak....

Nash had a lot of shots. A lot of those shots Stepan set up. Stepan ended up with 15 points in the playoffs and with a broken jaw--missing one full game and pretty much most of another. Nash had 10 points. If Nash had converted more goals--Stepan would have had more points. McDonagh led the team with 17 points--next was St. Louis with 15 points and 8 goals--then came Stepan with 15 points with 5 goals. Stepan wasn't really the problem. All in all Stepan had a very good playoffs. He outpointed Richards, Zucc, Brassard and Hagelin.

Kreider missed 10 games and had 13 points in 15 games also outpointing Nash.

IMO Nash was the most ineffective player on the first line.
 
Hossa struggled in postseason scoring and eventually overcame over the years he's played....


This is essentially Ricks 3rd PO appearance, if you want to count the first time with Columbus...

I think his main problem id he does too much himself...

Stephan is weak....

Stepan may be weak but someone is converting his passing and he had about 20 more points than Nash during the regular season. Sure Nash played in less games, but you don't help out your team much if you're not playing. And Stepan had a pretty good showing in the playoffs. 15 points points ain't so bad. Can't always have that "#1" centerman when you spend the money on goaltending and a winger. Only so many $8MM-ish contracts you can give out.
 
Would anyone consider a Evander Kane for Marc Staal premise for a deal? Winnepeg needs LD. There was talk they may move Buff so they may need a top-4 d-man. Enstrom and Buff and Bogo are Right Handed.
 
Not sure if this has been mentioned already, but what about adding Dan Boyle?

He's 37, but still put up solid numbers last season. Completely different player than Stralman but could replace him in the top-4, would help the PP, he's a leader and has a buddy in St. Louis already here. If they could get him cheap enough I'd love to see this happen.
 
Would anyone consider a Evander Kane for Marc Staal premise for a deal? Winnepeg needs LD. There was talk they may move Buff so they may need a top-4 d-man. Enstrom and Buff and Bogo are Right Handed.

Winnipeg wouldn't do it. Enstrom is a lefty. Buff was moved to forward. Is Staal signing an extension with the Jets?
 
Would anyone consider a Evander Kane for Marc Staal premise for a deal? Winnepeg needs LD. There was talk they may move Buff so they may need a top-4 d-man. Enstrom and Buff and Bogo are Right Handed.

No. Kane is a big time risk and I'd rather target a center or right handed shot.
 
Are you paying him $6 million per or more in a long-term contract? Staal is eligible to walk out the door next July.

I wouldn't pay him more than $6 million per.

But my point was moreso that some posters are selling Staal short and exaggerating his negative attributes while ignoring the positive things he brings to the table. I think both Staal and Stralman are important pieces and it won't be easy to replace either of them.
 
I wouldn't pay him more than $6 million per.

But my point was moreso that some posters are selling Staal short and exaggerating his negative attributes while ignoring the positive things he brings to the table. I think both Staal and Stralman are important pieces and it won't be easy to replace either of them.

That's how pro sports works these days. The Rangers can't afford to keep all of their players. It's a business. It's becoming a bigger and bigger business every year.
 
I wouldn't pay him more than $6 million per.

But my point was moreso that some posters are selling Staal short and exaggerating his negative attributes while ignoring the positive things he brings to the table. I think both Staal and Stralman are important pieces and it won't be easy to replace either of them.

I agree, but i think the general consensus is Girardi is overpaid, and i can't see us paying Stall more than Mac. We just don't have enough room for him. I wish we could trade Girardi and offer up an extension to Staal with the cap space saved. But i really dont see that happening.
 
lets create some context here.

first, hank has perhaps 3 more elite years left. he wants a cup. deserves one. 3 years.

we are not gonna tear down or do much to last years roster. we have a few guys who are gone and a few spots to fill. we made it to the scf last year. we may well be only a few players away.

lets make this easy.

3 areas to address.

1. we cant score.

2. we have dmen who cant all get paid big bank

3. our free agents need to be resigned or let go.


richards is gone. he MUST be replaced. sure stepan and brass can play but they are both similar. neither are true scorers and neither are true elite first line centerman and neither have shown anything with nash.

solution. either stay with what we have and add miller to the mix as the 3c or add a player. do you add that player via trade or sign him to a deal and keep your players. i say add another center.

stasny adds what we need now. doesnt cost players and will give us that playmaking centerman to play with nash, take pp faceoffs and play 1st line minutes for the next 3 years as we make a push for the cup. stasny is a very solid 2 way guy who would flourish with kreider and nash.

there arent many other options. unlike ror, with staz its only money.

stralman must be resigned. staal must be moved. thats it. stralman has shown hes a perfect fit in this av system. hes a horse. hes healthy and he can be signed for a value contract. he wants to play here.

staal has value. but hes also one hit away from no value. right now healthy, he can bring back value and clear space. we are fortunate we are fairly deep defensively and with a top 6 of mcd, stral, girardi, klein, moore and say conor allen, we are still very strong. you deal from strength. adding a young forward or centerman to groom would be smart asset management while clearing space. staal will command a big number. we cant afford him.

dom moore and poo both need to return. boyle can walk. miller can take his minutes.

i see no other options other than some crazy trade that perhaps makes us young er and better but also removes a roster player from last years team that was very close.

score more goals. have a better powerplay and play the same av style defense without marc staal.

it can be done. and we can be back to the finals again without a major roster upheaval.
 
Nash has had to be on a checking line come playoffs. Richards and Brassard lines were not those types to hold down those roles. Stepan took on that role. I think finding that checking C can free up Nash to play more on offensive zone starts and more advantageous zone time.
 
Oh man. You had me until the last sentence, which is really just glossing over the loss of Staal. Which, IMO, would be a huge problem that "a cheap veteran" wouldnt be able to solve.

Not glossing it over. Staal is a very good defender in a different system, IMO. If the Rangers are going with more mobility then Staal doesn't fit. It showed in the Final and Conference Final. It wasn't as much of an issue against the Canadiens, who weren't a heavy team, but against LA who had size and speed, the inability to get the puck up quicker was an issue for Staal.

However, if it were possible to keep both, I'd love it. But the reality of the situation is Staal will be seeking 6+ million on his next contract, and he is not worth it. If Stralman is seeking between 4 and 5 million, i'd much rather keep Stralman at about a million less than it will cost to keep Staal. And Staal holds a lot of trade value right now because he could potentially play a full season plus playoffs for the team that acquires him, they would have a year to negotiate a new contract.

Can't allow it to become a Callahan situation.

Its a tough situation. But decisions need to be made. If we are looking for more speed and mobility to contribute to our transition, i personally feel Stralman is the way to go.

But, i agree with your concern about any old cheap veteran filling Staal's shoes. It isn't what I meant. I'm not expecting the replacement to be Staal when Staal was great. But i also don't expect Staal to be the way he once was moving forward, either. I personally feel his eye is an issue. I worry about future injuries, because the history is there. But, yes, it won't be easy to replace him.

If we can find a guy to play steady in his own end and bring mobility, we could manage, IMO.

We knew eventually this would happen. Can't keep everyone unfortunately. It's how it goes in the salary capped NHL.
 
That's how pro sports works these days. The Rangers can't afford to keep all of their players. It's a business. It's becoming a bigger and bigger business every year.

I understand that, which is why I have repeatedly emphasized how important it is for the Rangers to continue to draft and develop so they can withstand the loss of their own players and replace them with cheaper in-house alternatives. Unfortunately, at this juncture, there is no one in the system who can step in immediately and fill the void that Staal would leave.
 
one question is what should this team look like down the middle. Some feel you need that "1C' guy, but the team is paying one winger elite winger money and another close to top line money. And with a goalie getting top money and the defense, even if Staal is removed from the equation, getting a pretty penny, is there really room for that "1C" guy under the cap? Further, this team did get to where it was based on goaltending, defense and its ability to roll four lines. Is that the formula that gets this team back to the finals? If yes, you do not need that "1C' and a guy with Brassard kind of production would suffice, which doesn't grow on trees and isn't insignificant, but also isn't Stasny. Need to work within the framework of what's here and what is committed to that can't be spent, and then roll that into what AV is trying to do out there. Getting a PP point guy may be the tougher part. Richards may not have been the guy, but over the course of the season he was better than what this team has back there.
 
I understand that, which is why I have repeatedly emphasized how important it is for the Rangers to continue to draft and develop so they can withstand the loss of their own players and replace them with cheaper in-house alternatives. Unfortunately, at this juncture, there is no one in the system who can step in immediately and fill the void that Staal would leave.

Immediately, unfortunately not.

Personally feel Brady Skjei will be that guy at some point in the 15-16 season. I really love the brains and fundamentals he has to go with his mobility.

Not recommended, but they could decide to keep Staal for this season, allow him to walk as a UFA or trade his rights for some sort of asset, and hope Moore progresses enough to move up to the second pair and plug Skjei into the 3rd pair with Klein.

All hypotheticals.
 
we made it to the finals because henrik was in godmode.

we couldnt score. offensively we stunk. alot.

we were shutout. we didnt generate anything in many games. our pp was abysmal and sucked the life out of us nightly.

we were lucky to survive the pitts series and same with the habs. if not for hank playing insane in big games, we lose and things look alot different right now.

not scoring is our problem. defensively we are strong and even without marc staal, we are still very good with hank in net.

we need goals. we need offensive talent. we need to create chances.

that begins up the middle.
 
If things looked like Staal's demands were too high like Callahan, I'd move him for Kane. Let the Jets try to work out an extension first. Rather this go down before the season starts to avoid any distractions.

Rangers are thin on the LW. Pushes Hagelin down to the third line.

Kreider (2.5) - Stepan (3.1) - Nash (7.8)
Kane (5.25) - Brassard (3.75)- Zucc (3.75)
Hagelin (2.25) - Miller (900k) - MSL (5.6)
???? - D. Moore ($1.5) - Dorsett (1.6)
Carcillo (800k)

McD (4.7) - Girardi (5.5)
???? - Stralman (4.0)
J. Moore (1.25) - Klein (2.9)
Diaz? (800k)

Lundqvist (8.5)
Talbot (560k)

Did the math in my head but that roster is at about $65 million but is missing a second pairing LD and a 4th line LW. If the cap makes it to $71 million they could use $5 million of the $6 (to leave room for injury call ups).

I'm sure they could find a 4th line LW for less then $2 million. Leaves $3 million to find a second pairing LD. That could be an issue.

This all said I don't know if the Jets would want Staal.
 
I understand that, which is why I have repeatedly emphasized how important it is for the Rangers to continue to draft and develop so they can withstand the loss of their own players and replace them with cheaper in-house alternatives. Unfortunately, at this juncture, there is no one in the system who can step in immediately and fill the void that Staal would leave.

The Rangers are in no position to be losing Staal for nothing. Their options are giving him a rich contract or trading him.
 
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