Speculation: 2014 Offseason - Roster Building / Trade Speculation Thread II ‎

[bscharf]

No it does not.

you already got Siemens in the
Staal + Girardi + Pouilot for ROR + Siemens

First you get something extra doing ROR + Stepan + for Spezza + Zibby(/lesser + if applicable).

Zibby, 5th overall is the prize here!

also we moved a heavy contract in Girardi, and we have room to bring in a RD more complementary to teh system
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you now have options on Zuc + Brassard as a pair
so
something like
Nash at full 50% for full balance of contract, which is huge
+ Brassard + rights to Zuc + Calle Andersson + Rangers 2016 1st (figures to be late)
for
Seth Jones
Colin Wilson, Viktor Stalberg (reduced) + Nashville's 2014 1st (what 11, OA?)

Kreider - Miller - MSL
Boyle - Spezza - Zibby
Hagelin - Lindberg - Fast
Yogan - D. Moore - Haggerty

trade Dorsett
develop Yogan, see what happens. You have people in the wings.
Then trade off excess and upgrade further.

we can explore who gets moved further here.
Maybe we don't play all out w/Spezza and are smart and build.
We hand shake with Sens and flip to Blues for any of several possibilities...
or we can flip him further out west if it is in our long term interest.

And yes, I put Boyle up at 2LW, and not 'cause there were no other options.
Boyle distinguished himself in the playoffs --- what about that killer goal in what was that, the game 5 final --- and apparently would prefer to be here. In the above construct making space possible, I would tell him, ok, 1 year deal 2.75 mil, 2LW is yours to lose. That's win win, and if he's a bust up there, we flip him, and if he has fully grown to that, we have inside track to extend.

D
McD Jones
Allen Klein
Siemens McIlrath
Diaz

maybe sign Redmond as FA leaving Jets

this would be much better, and being more cost controlled, better able to even further tweaked into guys even a better fit for AV system!

Maybe you should throw call of duty back into the xbox because NHL GM mode is ruining your mind. What the hell is this?

 

[Bleed Ranger Blue]

I agree with Rusty, the best idea for the Rangers is to qualify Brassard at his 3.7 offer and e evaluate

Not sure where I said anything differently. You're the one that scared of a long-term commitment to Brassard, which likely isn't happening due to the cap crunch and his restricted status.

Same goes for Zucc. Same goes for Kreider.

These guys are going to get the screws put to them.

 

[LaffyTaffyNYR]

Maybe you should throw call of duty back into the xbox because NHL GM mode is ruining your mind. What the hell is this?

This is literally the worst defense I think I've ever seen.

 

[RangerBoy]

Brassard,Zuccarello and Kreider are arbitration eligible. They have the hammer.

 

[BarbaraAlphanse]

Not sure where I said anything differently. You're the one that scared of a long-term commitment to Brassard, which likely isn't happening due to the cap crunch and his restricted status.

Same goes for Zucc. Same goes for Kreider.

These guys are going to get the screws put to them.

Where I disagree with you is that Brassard will be our 2nd line center next year. Not happening.

 

[NYRFAN218]

Larry Brooks on with Michael Kay right now. YES Network and ESPN Radio.

 

[BarbaraAlphanse]

Brooks agrees w/ BRB.

 

[Bleed Ranger Blue]

Where I disagree with you is that Brassard will be our 2nd line center next year. Not happening.

I dont think it'll happen, but I do think it'd be the more prudent way to approach the situation.

Instead of massively overpaying for Stastny or making an ill-conceived trade for other centers on the market.

 

[RangerBoy]

Brooks on Michael Kay's show. He doesn't see the Rangers making a big move for a name center. No cap space/no assets.

Stepan
Brassard
Miller
Moore

That's how he sees the center ice position next season.

 

[haveandare]

Hes a guy that played on the 4th line and looked like a passenger in doing so.

Good 4th liners recognize and accept their role as a 4th liner. Its an important job, and its not some place just to plug rookies and hope they advance up the lineup.

Kids get better. He was passable last year. Perhaps he'll be a good 4th line player this year. That wouldn't be a huge amount of development to ask from him.

I'm fully aware that the fourth line is important and not a place to dump rookies. Sometimes people disagree with you, and it's not because they don't know what they're talking about.

 

[LaffyTaffyNYR]

Plenty of cap space, but then again I'm not throwing out or willing to offer guys like Brassard and Zucc almost 5M.

 

[BarbaraAlphanse]

Brooks thinks they'll try and extend Brassard now.

 

[Rangerfan4life90]

Brooks on Michael Kay's show. He doesn't see the Rangers making a big move for a name center. No cap space/no assets.

Stepan
Brassard
Miller
Moore

That's how he sees the center ice position next season.

Which would be a mistake. Unless Stepan puts up 70-75 points, and Brassard can up his point totals to like 60.

 

[LaffyTaffyNYR]

Brooks thinks they'll try and extend Brassard now.

I could see that.. but it shouldn't be anywhere near the 5M that people were comparing Little too.. Little has a 60 point season, 1 50 point season, and almost 2 50 point seasons. Brassard never hit 50.

 

[Bleed Ranger Blue]

Kids get better. He was passable last year. Perhaps he'll be a good 4th line player this year. That wouldn't be a huge amount of development to ask from him.

I'm fully aware that the fourth line is important and not a place to dump rookies. Sometimes people disagree with you, and it's not because they don't know what they're talking about.

Kids do get better, sometimes.

Youll have to forgive me if Im not ready to hand a spot to Jesper Fast, who hasn't proven he can do anything well at the NHL level yet - especially the grunt work of a 4th liner.

 

[LaffyTaffyNYR]

I'm willing to say right now, Brassard wont be the #2 center next year unless Sather/Gorton can't find anyone better and upgrade on the wings or something.

 

[RangerBoy]

Arbitration deadline is July 5. Players file. Gain leverage.

Stepan in 2013 and Dubinsky in 2009 weren't arbitration eligible. No leverage.

 

[Bleed Ranger Blue]

Which would be a mistake. Unless Stepan puts up 70-75 points, and Brassard can up his point totals to like 60.

Its not the end of the world if the Rangers can maintain or, preferably, improve in other areas.

What'd be a mistake is getting so fixated on the center position, that the organization loses site of the current strengths of the team. The center depth was a question mark all of this season too - guess what, the Rangers made the final

 

[LaffyTaffyNYR]

Arbitration deadline is July 5. Players file. Gain leverage.

Stepan in 2013 and Dubinsky in 2009 weren't arbitration eligible. No leverage.

Zucc I believe has a case...

How much do 45 point centers get awarded though?

 

[BarbaraAlphanse]

I could see that.. but it shouldn't be anywhere near the 5M that people were comparing Little too.. Little has a 60 point season, 1 50 point season, and almost 2 50 point seasons. Brassard never hit 50.

I'm right there with you.

I think Brassard is a great 3c, but will completely underwhelm at the 2c.

Personally, I think Miller should and will end up in between MSL and Hagelin in the event that they don't get anyone else.

I guess this is a good thing because it will mean that we'll have a legitimate shot of retaining most of the roster now - Boyle and Stralman included.

 

[Raspewtin]

I'm glad to hear the Rangers wont chase any big name centers like Thornton or Spezza.

I am really curious to see what they do with that 2C spot. Or how they integrate more offense into the D.

 

[Bleed Ranger Blue]

I'm willing to say right now, Brassard wont be the #2 center next year unless Sather/Gorton can't find anyone better and upgrade on the wings or something.

Its pretty bizarre that you are so anti-Brassard for 2nd line C that you'd be willing to endorse the next big-ticket mistake the Rangers are going to make down the middle.

Break the bank for Stastny? Trade Staal for a Thornton or Spezza? Yea - mission accomplished.

 

[GAGLine]

Where I disagree with you is that Brassard will be our 2nd line center next year. Not happening.

If not Brassard, then who? And where is the money coming from to pay that player? We're tight on cap space as it is.

 

[LaffyTaffyNYR]

Its pretty bizarre that you are so anti-Brassard for 2nd line C that you'd be willing to endorse the next big-ticket mistake the Rangers are going to make down the middle.

Break the bank for Stastny? Trade Staal for a Thornton or Spezza? Yea - mission accomplished.

I never said I wanted Stastny first of all.. 2nd of all I woudn't trade Staal for either one..

I would however trade Staal if it could get someone like ROR.

and Brassard is a #2, the same way Derek Stepan is a #1.. he's not.

 

[BarbaraAlphanse]

Its not the end of the world if the Rangers can maintain or, preferably, improve in other areas.

What'd be a mistake is getting so fixated on the center position, that the organization loses site of the current strengths of the team. The center depth was a question mark all of this season too - guess what, the Rangers made the final

I don't see where we can improve in other area's, though.

We're taking a step down purely in terms of who are 2c is. Brassard in a good year (this year) wasn't able to get to where Richards was on a bad year.

What can Miller do in his first full rookie season?

Let's say, best case, he posts a season similar to Kreider's campaign this year... Kreider posted .56 ppg.

46 points. Brassard was at 45. So we're taking a hit on the 2nd line, and best case remaining equal on the 3rd line? That's just too much to hope for.

What about blue line offense? 5 guys put up 75 points. That's unacceptable. Un ****ing acceptable.

It would be great to keep as many of these guys as possible, but there need to be some improvements in places. Maximize value on a few players. Some tough decisions need to be made.