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Speculation: 2014 Offseason - Roster Building / Trade Speculation Thread II ‎

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silverfish said:
Best of luck, Jon!

The more I think about it, the more I think Spezza is the move this team makes. His value is lower of that of ROR and Thornton, so he might not even cost us Staal. He's on a one-year deal, and something that's underrated around these boards (IMO) is that he's a right-handed shot. One of our biggest disadvantages on the PP this season was that Stepan was the only forward right-handed shot. Add Spezza to the mix, and you now have 3 (MSL, along with Spezza and Stepan) capable PPQBs; working from the half board now instead of the point.

Stepan on LW feeding Nash. Spezza on LW feeding MSL.

I'm wishing for ROR. I'd be more than satisfied with Spezza. Stay away from Stastny and Thornton.

That's me.
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Thanks. I need all the luck I can get, LOL. I'm taking the day off today and tomorrow, though. Heading back to NJ tomorrow for a couple of weeks.

I wouldn't mind Spezza but I am not sure how much I'd be willing to give for him, either.

Rust Heisenberg said:
I think that Stastny will be fine. I'm going to have a beef with him, though, as he'll be making 1st line money to just be playing fine...

I don't have a link to the Zucc news, nor do I think it will help. Someone on here posted a translation a couple days ago from a Norwegian newspaper that had talked to his agent. The agent said that his client (Zucc) sees a fair value for his services to be 22 million over 5 years.

It was a quote. No idea where it was from. Just tried to google it without much luck.

But if it's true, which I assume it is because Zucc often talks to Norwegian news outlets so it's not far out there that his agent would either, him using 4.4 as a starting point will mean that eventually it'll come down and Sather and him will meet at a common ground. That common ground, in my estimation, will be around 4.2/4.1.
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The Zuc news is awesome if that is really the case. That would be a dream to have him on a long term, under 5M contract.
 
The Colorado Avalanche have signed free agent forward P.A. Parenteau to a four-year deal which sources say is worth $16 million

Parenteau, 29, is coming off a career-high 67-point season for the Islanders and was seeking a significant raise from the $1.25 million he earned last season with New York.

Am I the only one who thinks this is the same contract Zucc should get!?..

Edit. I forgot about the cap going up however, what was the 2012 cap? actually nevermind the 2012 cap was 70M.
 
silverfish said:
Best of luck, Jon!

The more I think about it, the more I think Spezza is the move this team makes. His value is lower of that of ROR and Thornton, so he might not even cost us Staal. He's on a one-year deal, and something that's underrated around these boards (IMO) is that he's a right-handed shot. One of our biggest disadvantages on the PP this season was that Stepan was the only forward right-handed shot. Add Spezza to the mix, and you now have 3 (MSL, along with Spezza and Stepan) capable PPQBs; working from the half board now instead of the point.

Stepan on LW feeding Nash. Spezza on LW feeding MSL.

I'm wishing for ROR. I'd be more than satisfied with Spezza. Stay away from Stastny and Thornton.

That's me.
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I'd personally much rather stay away from Spezza than Stastny. Spezza is like 3 or 4 years older and has had serious injuries in the last 4 or 5 years. He's also likely to bolt for the most money at the end of next year, considering that there's a high chance we aren't satisfied with his services and won't pay him monster money with another round of raises due for young players.

Don't want to deal assets for a 1 yr rental who will likely injure himself before he can make a meaningful impact.

Don't want Stastny at the price he will come but I think he is the most likely solution. It keeps our d in tact, improves our top 3 lines, but the 4th line takes a significant hit in size because we will undoubtedly have to lose Dorsett and Boyle.

ROR is the most appealing option but to do that we would need to give up Staal. Is it time to move on from him?

Either way, I fully expect 2c to be dealt with this offseason. I'd prefer we wait the extra 2 years to sign Stamkos... but i'm sure we'll be linked to him regardless of who we get this offseason.
 
Lundsanity30 said:
The Colorado Avalanche have signed free agent forward P.A. Parenteau to a four-year deal which sources say is worth $16 million

Parenteau, 29, is coming off a career-high 67-point season for the Islanders and was seeking a significant raise from the $1.25 million he earned last season with New York.

Am I the only one who thinks this is the same contract Zucc should get!?..

Edit. I forgot about the cap going up however, what was the 2012 cap?
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Parenteau was unrestricted.

Zucc is not.

Lots of people are going to be disappointed when Slats puts the screws to him, Kreider, and Brassard.
 
Bird Law said:
Thanks. I need all the luck I can get, LOL. I'm taking the day off today and tomorrow, though. Heading back to NJ tomorrow for a couple of weeks.

I wouldn't mind Spezza but I am not sure how much I'd be willing to give for him, either.



The Zuc news is awesome if that is really the case. That would be a dream to have him on a long term, under 5M contract.
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Yes it would be. Talk about a great value contract. Him and McD, perhaps others too.

As Silverfish said, good luck on the BAR.
 
Rust Heisenberg said:
I'd personally much rather stay away from Spezza than Stastny. Spezza is like 3 or 4 years older and has had serious injuries in the last 4 or 5 years. He's also likely to bolt for the most money at the end of next year, considering that there's a high chance we aren't satisfied with his services and won't pay him monster money with another round of raises due for young players.

Don't want to deal assets for a 1 yr rental who will likely injure himself before he can make a meaningful impact.

Don't want Stastny at the price he will come but I think he is the most likely solution. It keeps our d in tact, improves our top 3 lines, but the 4th line takes a significant hit in size because we will undoubtedly have to lose Dorsett and Boyle.

ROR is the most appealing option but to do that we would need to give up Staal. Is it time to move on from him?

Either way, I fully expect 2c to be dealt with this offseason. I'd prefer we wait the extra 2 years to sign Stamkos... but i'm sure we'll be linked to him regardless of who we get this offseason.
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That's the best part about going the Spezza route. It doesn't plug us into a long-term commitment. He'll come here, and play one year. We put Brassard on a one-year deal, and see if he improves or produces at the same rate of this season or better. If he does, we lock him up longer-term as our 2C. We plug in Miller/Lindberg/prospect/FA at the beginning of the 15-16 season at 3C.

Well, that's the best part about Spezza over Stastny. ROR would solve our center problems for quite some time, but that negotiation starts with Staal, and that scares me.

Hoping to see some "demands" from Ottawa soon. Would love to know their barometer on moving Spezza/what they are looking for.

Not sure I get the injury angle, either. Spezza played 75 games last season. Anyone can get injured at any time. *knocks on wood*
 
Rust Heisenberg said:
Yes it would be. Talk about a great value contract. Him and McD, perhaps others too.

As Silverfish said, good luck on the BAR.
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Thanks a lot, man!

If Zucc signs for that, I'll love his contract, G's, and McD's for sure.

Bleed Ranger Blue said:
Parenteau was unrestricted.

Zucc is not.

Lots of people are going to be disappointed when Slats puts the screws to him, Kreider, and Brassard.
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Smear is also nowhere near as good a player as Zuc, though.
 
Bleed Ranger Blue said:
Parenteau was unrestricted.

Zucc is not.

Lots of people are going to be disappointed when Slats puts the screws to him, Kreider, and Brassard.
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The problem is that I think Brassard shouldn't be considered part of the core. He's going to demand, as RB and Haohamuru stated, a contract around 4.7 million.

Too much for a 3rd line center.

Maximize value. Either trade him this offseason or extend the QO @ 3.7 mill and trade him at the deadline if he's not willing to take a contract under 4. We can't afford him, he's a luxury.

Zucc and Kreids? Core members.
 
If they give Brassard 4.7M they need their heads examined. I'd EASILY give Stastny 6.6M over Brassard close to 5M and I could careless if we get Stastny.
 
Rust Heisenberg said:
The problem is that I think Brassard shouldn't be considered part of the core. He's going to demand, as RB and Haohamuru stated, a contract around 4.7 million.

Too much for a 3rd line center.

Maximize value. Either trade him this offseason or extend the QO @ 3.7 mill and trade him at the deadline if he's not willing to take a contract under 4. We can't afford him, he's a luxury.

Zucc and Kreids? Core members.
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Brassard has quickly become a core component due the Richards buy-out.

You're going to jettison another center?
 
silverfish said:
That's the best part about going the Spezza route. It doesn't plug us into a long-term commitment. He'll come here, and play one year. We put Brassard on a one-year deal, and see if he improves or produces at the same rate of this season or better. If he does, we lock him up longer-term as our 2C. We plug in Miller/Lindberg/prospect/FA at the beginning of the 15-16 season at 3C.

Well, that's the best part about Spezza over Stastny. ROR would solve our center problems for quite some time, but that negotiation starts with Staal, and that scares me.

Hoping to see some "demands" from Ottawa soon. Would love to know their barometer on moving Spezza/what they are looking for.

Not sure I get the injury angle, either. Spezza played 75 games last season. Anyone can get injured at any time. *knocks on wood*
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I'm gonna play a little bit of devil's advocate here and look at the acquisition of a player through a financial scope.

If we're to look at players as commodities, which is what i'm sure GM's look at them as, Spezza is a damaged good that is depreciating. As a commodity, he's still useful, but his most productive years are behind him. He has a high risk of being injured, which would make him an ineffective product to trade for, in the event of an injury. And, he has 1 year left on his contract, with a high likelihood of not being retained. In the meantime, you'll trade valuable and cost effective younger assets to get this guy.

Stastny, on the other hand, is younger, entering his prime, and will (just like Spezza) be viewed at as a useful but overvalued player. But, you sign him for (let's say) 6 years. Down the road, Stastny will have a much higher salvage value. You can trade him for something of quality.

He's more valuable than Spezza. Spezza eats cheap and young assets to acquire. He also offers a low service expectance, in terms of years and even risk of actual production. He gives a much lower salvage value, too.

Stay far away from Spezza. Stay far away from Stastny, too... but just purely looking at both as acquisitions, Spezza is the far worse one to get.
 
Lundsanity30 said:
someone to put up 45 points?.. there are many of those around the league.. Its not my job to find them lol.
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I think the hope would be to allow Miller to play LW or even center with Brassard and Zucc and see how he performs. If he can offer something comparable... your answer is simple.

That's why I think giving Brassard the QO is fine. Defer the decision until you see what you have in Miller. If he's producing well into the season, you can trade Brassard at the deadline.
 
Bleed Ranger Blue said:
Yup. Its always been easy as apple pie for the Rangers to find centers who play well here.
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You are over valuing the hell out of brassard.. even those centers who have played here put up more than he has done..

Anyway, he's a good bargain at his QO or 4M on a multi year deal.. anyone willing to offer him close to 5 is nuts.
 
I agree with Rusty, the best idea for the Rangers is to qualify Brassard at his 3.7 offer and e evaluate
 
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