Assuming there is space, sign Stalman then trade him or, more likely, trade Klein.
Wash wants RD for 1st; Flames want righties.
Speculation: 2014 Offseason - Roster Building / Trade Speculation Thread II
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Assuming there is space, sign Stalman then trade him or, more likely, trade Klein.
Wash wants RD for 1st; Flames want righties.
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I wouldn't. St. Louis and Hagelin are good enough defensively to shelter Miller.
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A good point. I'd actually like to see JT play a relatively important role on the team this year; Very excited for the kid.
But if Hagelin & St. Louis are on the 3rd line, that means the Brassard line is the 2nd, which I have some minor doubts about. Also might mean that two of our most defensively-responsible forwards in Hags/MSL would be getting easier match-ups to defend against, while P-B-Z would be getting the tougher ones. Maybe.
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I'm not a fan of this either. Moore just seems like a third pairing defenseman at best. If Del Zotto gets non-tendered, maybe bring him back as a #4 defenseman. Del Zotto was always fine when he played as a LD with a decent partner, and he and Stralman were a good pair in the past (probably more due to Stralman). It also allows Moore to stay on the third pair with Klein:
McD-Girardi
Del Zotto-Stralman
Moore-Klein
Not bad, probably slightly above average d-core.
I would actually be OK with this as well... gives us some "veteran" depth on the left side, as well as another puck moving defenseman...
Only down side is all of the puck movers are now stacked on the left side... Klein would be the most mobile piece on the right side, and he's going to be on the 3rd pairing... lol
You did actually WATCH Del Zaster play while he was with the Rangers correct??!!
I'm not a fan of this either. Moore just seems like a third pairing defenseman at best. If Del Zotto gets non-tendered, maybe bring him back as a #4 defenseman. Del Zotto was always fine when he played as a LD with a decent partner, and he and Stralman were a good pair in the past (probably more due to Stralman). It also allows Moore to stay on the third pair with Klein:
McD-Girardi
Del Zotto-Stralman
Moore-Klein
Not bad, probably slightly above average d-core.
I would actually be OK with this as well... gives us some "veteran" depth on the left side, as well as another puck moving defenseman...
Only down side is all of the puck movers are now stacked on the left side... Klein would be the most mobile piece on the right side, and he's going to be on the 3rd pairing... lol
You did actually WATCH Del Zaster play while he was with the Rangers correct??!!
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I'd not sign Raymond and just put Fast in that spot.
The thing that worries me about that roster is that the D sort of lives and dies with John Moore. On one hand, I can imagine him blossoming more with Staal there to clean up and let him go a little wild. On the other hand, that's a ton of responsibility for him.
We'd also be taking the same risk with Miller. I'm not sure the team can afford to double up on that kind of question mark situation. For a cost-controlled center for a long time, with Brass behind him, who sort of outproduced his 3C label, I think Miller is a little safer of a risk than Moore.
I think it's time for the next wave of prospects to step in though, for sure. Not all at once, but it's got to happen.
I think that the most likely addition to this team as our future 2c is the guy that no one seems to want to mention - Paul Stastny.
In my opinion, he is the most probably to be the guy who Sather goes after. I also think he overpays for his services. This is how it works under the cap:
CAPGEEK.COM ARMCHAIR GM ROSTER
NYR
FORWARDS
Chris Kreider ($2.250m) / Derek Stepan ($3.075m) / Rick Nash ($7.800m)
Carl Hagelin ($2.250m) / Paul Stastny ($7.000m) / Martin St. Louis ($5.625m)
J.T. Miller ($0.894m) / Derick Brassard ($3.700m) / Mats Zuccarello ($4.150m)
Daniel Carcillo ($0.825m) / Dominic Moore ($1.500m) / Jesper Fast ($0.805m)
DEFENSEMEN
Dan Girardi ($5.500m) / Ryan McDonagh ($4.700m)
Marc Staal ($3.975m) / Anton Stralman ($3.950m)
Conor Allen ($0.925m) / Kevin Klein ($2.900m)
GOALTENDERS
Henrik Lundqvist ($8.500m)
Cameron Talbot ($0.563m)
BUYOUTS
Wade Redden ($0.000m)
Brad Richards ($0.000m)
BONUS OVERAGE
$0
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In my opinion, he is the most probably to be the guy who Sather goes after. I also think he overpays for his services. This is how it works under the cap:
CAPGEEK.COM ARMCHAIR GM ROSTER
NYR
FORWARDS
Chris Kreider ($2.250m) / Derek Stepan ($3.075m) / Rick Nash ($7.800m)
Carl Hagelin ($2.250m) / Paul Stastny ($7.000m) / Martin St. Louis ($5.625m)
J.T. Miller ($0.894m) / Derick Brassard ($3.700m) / Mats Zuccarello ($4.150m)
Daniel Carcillo ($0.825m) / Dominic Moore ($1.500m) / Jesper Fast ($0.805m)
DEFENSEMEN
Dan Girardi ($5.500m) / Ryan McDonagh ($4.700m)
Marc Staal ($3.975m) / Anton Stralman ($3.950m)
Conor Allen ($0.925m) / Kevin Klein ($2.900m)
GOALTENDERS
Henrik Lundqvist ($8.500m)
Cameron Talbot ($0.563m)
BUYOUTS
Wade Redden ($0.000m)
Brad Richards ($0.000m)
BONUS OVERAGE
$0
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Dorsett gets traded for a pick. If you absolutely need to add more cap space - you can always trade Klein to a team for a late 1st/early 2nd.
Boyle becomes a casualty, as does Dorsett. It's a shame because losing Boyle immensely hurts the 4th line.
Stralman is resigned. Allen plays with someone like Diaz to buy about 2 million extra in cap space. It also solves the point shot on the power play.
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What about J. Moore? Who are the 13th and 14th forwards? Still some holes there.
I doubt Zuc takes a penny under 4.5M, too.
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lucky for us, he's still a RFA.. and a 4M raise from 1.15 this season is a huge damn raise for ONE good season.
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If one of Stralman/Staal goes, I'm curious if AV will look to split up Girardi/McD and even out the pairings, rather than cause 1-2 to be very top heavy.
I think McD proved he could play either side at the Olympics, if you paired him with say Allen or JMoore, that might provide some insurance for having two younger guys in the lineup without seeing that bad of a dropoff of play.
Other superstar defenders have been able to elevate other 2nd pairing defenders to a level where the pair is still seen as top level quality, i think McD is good enough to do that already (and I think at times, has kept Girardi from looking like the 2nd pair D he could appear to be).
I think McD proved he could play either side at the Olympics, if you paired him with say Allen or JMoore, that might provide some insurance for having two younger guys in the lineup without seeing that bad of a dropoff of play.
Other superstar defenders have been able to elevate other 2nd pairing defenders to a level where the pair is still seen as top level quality, i think McD is good enough to do that already (and I think at times, has kept Girardi from looking like the 2nd pair D he could appear to be).
His starting negotiations are 5 years 22 million. That's 4.4. That's also where he is starting.
I think he goes to 4.2/4.1.
This was only a mock up. J. Moore could come back for about 1.1 mill too, instead of Allen. It's a marginal difference.
13th forward - Lindberg?
I'd even guess that we may see someone like Haggerty on the 4th line, bigger right handed shot that can be used on the powerplay, rather than someone like Fast...
Meaning the 14th forward would again be Fast.
I do think that there will be an improvement on the 2c. Stastny would definitely fit this system, too.
There will need to be some more trades, down the line, too. But i'm just showing how you can fit Stastny into this current line up.
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Lindberg makes more sense on the 4th line wing than Fast does IMO, especially if AV likes the idea of having two natural centers on that line again.
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Hunter Gathers
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Link for that? Has that been confirmed? I am out of the loop with bar studying. If that's the case with Zuc, that's fantastic for us.
J. Moore is going to get about 1.5. We still need a 7th d-man, though. I guess you use Allen as the 7th and rotate him, Moore, and Klein in and out.
What was your salary, there?
I don't see how we can sign Stastny. I just don't. I don't want him, anyway.
Do we want the Pouliot-Brassard-Zuccarello back again next year?
I really liked the chemistry with them, but I do feel it was more of Brassard-Zuccarello than Pouliot, I think we could possibly put someone else in instead of him. Thought he had a somewhat rough postseason.
I really liked the chemistry with them, but I do feel it was more of Brassard-Zuccarello than Pouliot, I think we could possibly put someone else in instead of him. Thought he had a somewhat rough postseason.
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He's had NHL 4th line experience already. If he shows that he's obviously capable of more, that's a good problem. Someone becomes trade bait.
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Best of luck, Jon!
The more I think about it, the more I think Spezza is the move this team makes. His value is lower of that of ROR and Thornton, so he might not even cost us Staal. He's on a one-year deal, and something that's underrated around these boards (IMO) is that he's a right-handed shot. One of our biggest disadvantages on the PP this season was that Stepan was the only forward right-handed shot. Add Spezza to the mix, and you now have 3 (MSL, along with Spezza and Stepan) capable PPQBs; working from the half board now instead of the point.
Stepan on LW feeding Nash. Spezza on LW feeding MSL.
I'm wishing for ROR. I'd be more than satisfied with Spezza. Stay away from Stastny and Thornton.
That's me.
Hes a guy that played on the 4th line and looked like a passenger in doing so.
Good 4th liners recognize and accept their role as a 4th liner. Its an important job, and its not some place just to plug rookies and hope they advance up the lineup.
I think that Stastny will be fine. I'm going to have a beef with him, though, as he'll be making 1st line money to just be playing fine...
I don't have a link to the Zucc news, nor do I think it will help. Someone on here posted a translation a couple days ago from a Norwegian newspaper that had talked to his agent. The agent said that his client (Zucc) sees a fair value for his services to be 22 million over 5 years.
It was a quote. No idea where it was from. Just tried to google it without much luck.
But if it's true, which I assume it is because Zucc often talks to Norwegian news outlets so it's not far out there that his agent would either, him using 4.4 as a starting point will mean that eventually it'll come down and Sather and him will meet at a common ground. That common ground, in my estimation, will be around 4.2/4.1.
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The problem with Spezza is Murray prefers to trade him West, and why wouldn't he?.. which means the Rangers would probably have to overpay to acquire him..
Ian
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Fast had 4th line experience playing with Moore/Boyle, the two best defensive players on the team. It's hard to say if he could serve as more of a defensive lynchpin in a line with just one of them.
By all accounts, Lindberg seems to be the better defensive player. I worry that putting Fast in that role would stunt future offensive growth. Ideally you hope he becomes a Mason Raymond-esque player at the NHL level, a nice 2nd/3rd line tweener.
By all accounts, Lindberg seems to be the better defensive player. I worry that putting Fast in that role would stunt future offensive growth. Ideally you hope he becomes a Mason Raymond-esque player at the NHL level, a nice 2nd/3rd line tweener.
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