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2014 Offseason: Free Agent and Trade Talk VIII
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613Leafer
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If im Nonahan, i would use Phaneuf to trade up for Edmontons pick and Kessel to acquire Florida's pick.
Trade 1:
8th OA + Phaneuf for 3rd OA + Sam Gagner.
Trade 2:
Kessel for 1st OA + Alex Petrovic
Then draft Ekblad and whoever is left of Reinhart/Bennett to add a major piece to both the D and C positions longterm.
Gagner gives us a guy looking to rebound, but also simply gives us a body to play ahead of our kids if we ended up selling off Lupul and/or another forward in another deal. We could keep him (he should be moved to wing longterm IMO) or simply try to raise his trade value and move him at the deadline.
Petrovic is a decent all-around RHD prospect with size. Likely will be a #4-5 guy.
Trade 1:
8th OA + Phaneuf for 3rd OA + Sam Gagner.
Trade 2:
Kessel for 1st OA + Alex Petrovic
Then draft Ekblad and whoever is left of Reinhart/Bennett to add a major piece to both the D and C positions longterm.
Gagner gives us a guy looking to rebound, but also simply gives us a body to play ahead of our kids if we ended up selling off Lupul and/or another forward in another deal. We could keep him (he should be moved to wing longterm IMO) or simply try to raise his trade value and move him at the deadline.
Petrovic is a decent all-around RHD prospect with size. Likely will be a #4-5 guy.
Better shipping off Lupul and his $5.25 million cap. I think Kessel looks a lot better with JVR than Lupul as well. If anything, I'd take both the Staal, have Jordan replace Bozak or have one act as a winger. Our top line could be a much better in a possession side of things. I'd rather not mess with Cammelleri seeing that he'll be costly. Use Holland, instead.
JVR - E. Staal - Bozak/ Holland
Bozak/ Holland - J. Staal - Kessel
You'll have ~$8 million forwards per line. Kessel takes Semin's spot, while Bozak and J. Staal will take Clarkson/ Lupul's hit. I am not sure how Clarkson will be moved, but that top six will be more fitting for Carlyle IMO.
I am still a bit iffy with Ekblad. He has the all-round #1 upside, but it's not really certain. Trading Kessel for him seems a bit premature. If you take that gamble, I'd be demanding Rocco Grimaldi as well. Maybe even throw in a project like Francis Beauvillier. I don't think Petrovic cuts it especially seeing that D prospects is our strength.
613Leafer
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Fair enough on Ekblad. But another option would be to try and get both the centers and really solidify that position long term, and then have faith in Rielly and our D prospects. I'd want Grimaldi as well, but I think he's one of the reasons Florida is willing to trade the pick, because he helps solidify their C position longterm.
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Cox has been nailing the goings on in Leafs land of late.
He mentioned Gardiner or Kadri as chips for the Leafs to move up into Florida's spot in his article a week ago.
Got to wonder can we get the right to pick Sam Reinhart most likely this draft?
He mentioned Gardiner or Kadri as chips for the Leafs to move up into Florida's spot in his article a week ago.
Got to wonder can we get the right to pick Sam Reinhart most likely this draft?
Warden of the North
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The Magic Man
With God given hands
Bolland and Kulemin for 5ths or higher.
Kadri or Gardiner for an upgrade at 2C or 2D. If possible.
BertCorbeau
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Typical Nonis plug to Dreger about who the Leafs will take calls on .. Nothing really new here folks, move on
Warden of the North
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It doesn't matter around here.
People won't consider such a thought if the player is under the age of 26. Not even for another young player.
I'd swear some people are still made we dealt schenn
Who out there is a better young player that is realistically available?
We need to play more of a possession game and we are looking at dealing our 2 best possession players.
I just have trust issues with Nonis right now
dubplatepressure
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You have to give to get.
Those two young players in Kadri + Gardiner also have major defensive issues which is the biggest area of weakness with the current roster and moving forward.
Kadri is due for a big raise after next season and is only 3 years from UFA status.
Gardiner is a left D but that's our strongest area with Rielly, Phaneuf (who looked better on the left side last year), Gunnarson, Gleason, Percy, Finn.
I have absolutely no problem dealing Kadri or Gardiner if we're getting top quality youth back in return.
Rare Jewel
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8 to 1 is too big of a jump and pretty much never happens; It would be just too costly IMO.
But in the event Florida trades the 1st pick(possibly out right) for current help, I would see if a 8th overall + more current help could get Huberdeau out of there; Who's struggled this past year and it's unknown if he would be available after one bad season, But apparently they like Ehlers from a few things I've read which would make sense at #8.
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Dangles McGavin
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Assets I could see the Leafs pursuing:
Charlie Coyle
1st / 3rd overall
Brandon Gormley
Giordano
All really depends on what direction we’re going.
Charlie Coyle
1st / 3rd overall
Brandon Gormley
Giordano
All really depends on what direction we’re going.
dubplatepressure
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Bound to be something with Kulikov too... there's just been too much smoke there to not be fire. Similar to the JVR thing.
I hope the Leafs stay away from Giordano, Bieksa, etc. win now type trades because we are a few years from winning and these guys won't be the same players by the time we really need them or they don't have enough time secured on there contracts.
I would like to see the Leafs target a guy like Gormley as a right D to build around.
I agree that it's too big of a jump.
A deal between the Nucks and Leafs just makes too much sense to me.
Vancouver has Horvat and the 6th this year as top young assets but they can't wait on them because the Sedins, Bieksa, Hamhuis, etc. don't have enough time left. Vancouver desperately needs some 2nd line which Lupul or Kadri would instantly give them and they can live with either of their defensive shortcoming.
Toronto can afford to take a step back and deal some current players for top quality youth like Horvat or 6th overall as the main piece.
theIceWookie
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Well given the logic of most "proper rebuild" pushers, Schenn's a player that would help us win more than JVR would because we drafted him and didn't draft JVR.
Rare Jewel
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theIceWookie
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Can you honestly tell me what the logic is in trading Kadri for a 6th overall pick?
Like it doesn't make any sense. How does that make sense for us? We're trading a former 7th overall drafted player for a 6th overall in a likely less deep draft and losing the development of the player?
How does that make any sense for us. At all. In any way, shape or form. Please spin it for me.
theIceWookie
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When has Cox ever actually been anything more than a speculative writer basing his "inside knowledge" off of baseless rumors?
The answer is never.
Cox is just spouting the same old drivel he always does. Baseless rumors with no reality in them.
Because Kadri is up for contract renewal next year and 3 years from UFA status. Toronto isn't winning anything with or without Kadri next year and likely even the season after and very soon he won't be cheap so we'll have wasted his best contract years.
I don't see Kadri as a player to build around with cap space because he's not elite offensively like say Kessel is but also doesn't bring enough of an all around game. I see a good player on a bad team similar to how Grabo was but not a good player on a good (or at least not if he wants 5 million or even more on a future contract).
That 6th (if their is a player the Leafs really like) will be cheap when we need him to be.
It's a longer term view that comes down to having a top prospect who'll be cheap when we'll be contending + a lot of extra cap space to spend elsewhere.
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