Make trades. The Rangers may not have a choice on getting younger and cheaper in certain areas if you look at the cap situation. LA traded Patrick O'Sullivan and 2nd to Carolina for Justin Williams. O'Sullivan went to Edmonton with a pick for Erik Cole. 5 years later Williams is still part of that team. In 2008, LA traded Vishnovsky to Edmonton for Stoll and Greene. Both of them are still there. The Rangers bring in a big ticket player and they dump him in 2-3 years. The Rangers need to be bigger. They are having trouble getting any forecheck going. They can't get to the net for any second chances.
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Matt4776
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If we trade Staal, I look to sign a cheap stop-gap, like a Pitkanen.
We have Skjei who is developing fantastically, and sooner than later he will be playing top-4 minutes.
McDonagh, Skjei, and Moore are the future of our left side. The right side will be Girardi/Klein, Stralman, and McIlrath.
Once McIlrath is finally ready for full-time NHL duty, one of Klein or Girardi will be traded.
We have Skjei who is developing fantastically, and sooner than later he will be playing top-4 minutes.
McDonagh, Skjei, and Moore are the future of our left side. The right side will be Girardi/Klein, Stralman, and McIlrath.
Once McIlrath is finally ready for full-time NHL duty, one of Klein or Girardi will be traded.
Niskanen had 1 break out year, I can't see teams breaking the bank for him too much.
Nikitin is big and physical but again, same tools as Staal. Pitkanen on the wrong side of 30 and deteriorating fast.
You're right, Niskanen is a right handed shot. Which means that it would likely have to be him or Stralman.
Again, there needs to be more offense on the blue line for this coach. I don't know how they do it. They could opt to keep everyone together. But that still wouldn't solve our blue line offensive issues.
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Pitkanen will be lucky if he is ever able to play again. He still hasn't even been able to put a skate on a year+ after his injury. In fact, he'll be lucky if he can ever walk without pain again.
I saw a lot of Williams during the 05' lock-out, probably 20 games live or something.
Talk about a kid that becomes a "winner" because he is put in a winning atmosphere... There was nothing wrong with him back then, but he was far from a clutch PO player to put it midly. Eric Christiansson de lux. Could win his -- third -- cup within a matter of days. How many players in this league got three cups? Five? (I can only think of Brodeur straight up)
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Niskanen is one of the only young top-4 blue liners available. He is a RD. He is a puck mover. He plays PK and PP. He will get paid. 5+ easily.
Yep, they need to be smart though. They need to find some bigger players who are young and who fit their mold. Would Anaheim be interested in Staal? They need defensive help. Etem? DSP? Rakell? They have young players with size and speed.
We see how Pearson and Toffoli have worked for LA. Size, speed and strength is needed.
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I think you are underestimating Williams some (as I've seen him for > 50 games live). His value is that he does a LOT of things very well. He's strong on the boards, he was an excellent skater (before all his knee injuries), he's an under-rated playmaker, he's a good goal scorer, he's strong defensively, and he's not afraid to be physical.
Granted, being on a good team helps, but injuries are why the Canes traded him, plain and simple. He was a very good 1st line player that was a 30G+ / 70 point player in Carolina until the injuries derailed him.
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I'd love to see the Rangers chase Ty Rattie. He's been perpetually blocked in STL, but I don't know if the Rangers could really give them what they're looking for in return - I imagine he gets moved in a package for a C/D upgrade for them.
Yeah, and its of course more circumstances than anything else, but when you saw him as a 22-23 y/o, you didn't exactly think "hey this kid could become the winningest active player in the NHL!", you know. He was definitely not physical and he was pretty 1-dimensional. Like PAP for example.
Don't get me wrong, Williams today is very clutch. I am definitely not disputing that. On the countorary, that is my point. How much of a clutch player he has -- become -- thanks to playing on these winning teams. But go back 10 years...
And I mean, Williams was well liked in Luleå for sure. But ask the avg dude in the stand and they would have said something along like "Yeah he is good, but when we signed a Canadian, did we have to sign the softest Canadian in the NHL?"
Yeah, but stats for any player is easily +/- 15-20 pts between great / below avg year and environment etc. I mean, doesn't guys like Wolski, PAP and co have 70 pts years too. He was a decent player for sure for Carolina, but kind of like in the mold PAP is now.
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He didn't drop off the face of the earth like Cheechoo though. Granted, scoring was up in the first couple of years after the initial lockout, but after recovering from injuries, he went to a defensive minded team in LA and had 57 points in 73 games, 59 points in 81, 33 points in 48 games (lockout year).
So he was a 70 point player when healthy in Carolina and a 60 point player when healthy in LA (who is more defensive minded). It's not that big of a difference IMO.
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And I mean, Williams was well liked in Luleå for sure. But ask the avg dude in the stand and they would have said something along like "Yeah he is good, but when we signed a Canadian, did we have to sign the softest Canadian in the NHL?"
I can't speak for how he played in Lulea, but Williams in his time in Carolina was far from soft. In fact, he was great along the boards and mixing it up and had a bit bite to his game.
No matter though. It is interesting how perceptions of players can be different. He was one of my favorite Canes and the reason why was that he was the exact opposite of 1 dimensional. He was physical, skated well, shot well, played the PK, etc..
Anyhow, you point about him being successful in terms of cup wins is very valid. Nobody does it unless they are on a great team. But I think people underplay just how solid of a player he is overall when talking about his "clutch" play.
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Skjei could be anywhere between .5-2.5 years away from taking a roster spot. If its the latter, how do you justify trading Staal without bringing in an adequate replacement... in the middle of our win-now period?
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Why Silfverberg and not Etem? I'd prefer Etem I think.
They have a ton of talented, big, young forwards...
Silfverberg
Etem
Palmieri
Bonino
Rakell
Noesen
Friberg
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Devante Smith-Pelly too.
I think the Quacks have the left side covered on defense unless they are willing to trade Fowler or Lindholm. They have others coming along on the left as well.
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DSP is a perfect example of another good young power forward they have. Correct me if I'm wrong but hasn't Fowler played RD a good bit? Or has he exclusively played LD? Both of those guys seem like skilled d-men. Most of the time they can play both sides.
Etem is a left handed shot. Silfverberg is a right handed shot. I'd love to add more right handed shots to our team. Their talent level seems identical to me, although I'm under the impression that Silfverberg is more likely to reach more of his potential than Etem is.
Silfverberg and Smith Pelley
If we resigned Boyle and Moore, we'd be looking at a line up of this:
Kreider-Stepan-Nash
Silfverberg-Brassard-Zucc
Hagelin-Miller-MSL
Boyle-Moore-Smith Pelley
Not bad.
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He's played the right side, Lindholm looks way better on the left so far. They have Thoedore, Thompson, Helgesen, Lind coming along nicely on the left side. Welinski seems like the only RH prospect outside Vatanen. Lovejoy was a nice add for them this year but you can't bank on a repeat performance. Beauchemin has one year left on his deal.
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I know they have some good prospects on the way but most of them are offensive d-men. They had issues with their DEFENSE this year in the playoffs. I think Staal would be that #2 defensive stalwart they are looking for. Solidify their top-4.
It's not that I don't like Silfverberg, it's more that I believe this team needs to find a way to add more of a physical presence on each line. Etem brings that. So does DSP. Etem can also flat out FLY. Similar to Kreider and Hagelin. This team wants to be based on speed?
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