Raspewtin
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Speculation: 2014 - 2015 New York Rangers :: Roster building / proposal thread
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It's a notion that has been thrown around forever. After this year, more or less all our kids will be paid market value. We had a real rebuild, and those pieces we collected then now are paid UFA money. We have been able to add more assets, but the core is expensive nowadays.
We wasted those best years on Ponzi.
NYR94
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It's no secret that the Rangers could use more size to compete against big, physical teams like the Kings and Bruins. Other teams are taking note as well. Look at the players the Blue Jackets have brought in, especially among the forwards. Dubinsky, Anisimov, Horton and Hartnell to add to Johansen and Jenner who are also big men. It's a good amount of size and grit to complement smaller players like Atkinson and Calvert. A good mix of size and skill to wear down opponents in a playoff series.
Yet, the still lost in the 1st round.
Are we really jealous of the Blue Jackets at this point?
Tawnos
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They're an up and coming team. We should continue to see improvement from them as they gain more experience. Particularly if Johansen continues to develop and if Ryan Murray is the real deal. Rookie season indicates he is.
If things continue going right in that organization, they're the next power in the division.
Amazing Kreiderman
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Detroit is the best example of how to build a team that can compete over time. Aren't they play-off bound 22 years in a row?
yeah something like that... also how many cups do they have? If buch can turn into datsyuk that'd be greaaaat.
One thing that I have learned from the Kings is that teams really need to place more emphasis on players who are proven "playoff performers" and can adjust and elevate their game post-season, especially when looking at the 3rd & 4th lines as they become so important.
Amazing Kreiderman
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yeah something like that... also how many cups do they have? If buch can turn into datsyuk that'd be greaaaat.
I much rather have my team get to the play offs 20 years in a row and winning 3, then to have my team win 4 in a row and miss the play offs 20 years after that.
The Rangers made the final just last month. Ill continue to think they'll wind up being a top team until proven otherwise.
This "up and coming" stuff is nice, but we'll see what happens with them.
I was a huge Dubinsky fan when he was here, but at the same time, I dont want to be investing to much money and so much term into a player like him.
Raspewtin
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Dubisnky is definitely making a bit too much money, but I don't see him breaking down a-la Mike Richards any time soon.
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Tawnos
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Oh, I wasn't saying I was jealous of them. Just pointing out that their team and our team are in totally different stages as organizations.
St.Louis of the East. They are a Jack Johnson trade and some veteran depth away from making a lot of noise.
If they get a veteran two way D that plays mistake free hockey to replace Johnson for 22 a night, and some veteran bottom 6 players that can play smart hockey, CLB will make noise in the playoffs.
Ryan Murray is just physical maturity away from being a stud no 1 defenseman. Very Niedermayer like player.
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Was Dubi well-liked here in the locker room? I heard from one or two people that he wasn't the most-liked guy in the locker room while he was here. Maybe it was just a maturity thing. CBJ seems to really like him.
Yeah, I noticed him too, earlier, thanks for bringing him up.
Problem is cap space before somebody else grabs him
Girardi for Kadri.
Creates space , $
Not just that, but when we faced them last year, we had a top heavy team with no depth.
After we re-couped the depth we lost in the Nash deal, and gained in the Gaborik deal, we were right back in the Conference Final.
The Bruins are not some flawless mystical unicorn. They are a hockey team, a good hockey team, with flaws, and like any team, can be beat any night.
eco's bones
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It's not all about scoring goals--the thing is to score more goals than the other team on at least most nights. There are teams that make the playoffs every year that give up more goals than they score. Sometimes there are several teams. The Rangers numbers have been positive in a lot of ways for severely years. One of our problems has been the cap space taken up by guys like Nash, Richards, Drury etc. who underachieve. Another problem is so many key players moving into their mid 20's and towards ever more lucrative RFA and UFA contracts. It's why it is so hard to ice a 20 man roster with good players at the bottom of the lineup. Depth is an issue and when you're trying to compete and icing that 20 man roster--rolling 4 lines and 3 defense pairings is a juggling act and there is going to be turnover and it's almost a necessity these days to have 2-3 ELC contracts each and every year--so you have to pay a lot of attention to player development. You have to try your hardest to hang on to your top draft picks and make them count.
In any case it takes all kinds of different elements to make a good team. Possessing the puck as much as possible is not nonsense but looking at puck possession from player to player to player as some kind of dogmatic be all end all ice hockey philosophy misses the point. It takes different elements and hockey is still a physical game. Someone has to do the grunt work--in the corners and along the boards--clearing the front of the net and blocking shots and killing penalties. Not all of these guys are going to be great possession players and it's very very doubtful we could afford to ice a team of purely possession players even if some here might want to.
The most important stat of all are wins and it doesn't matter how we get them as long as we get enough of them.
In any case it takes all kinds of different elements to make a good team. Possessing the puck as much as possible is not nonsense but looking at puck possession from player to player to player as some kind of dogmatic be all end all ice hockey philosophy misses the point. It takes different elements and hockey is still a physical game. Someone has to do the grunt work--in the corners and along the boards--clearing the front of the net and blocking shots and killing penalties. Not all of these guys are going to be great possession players and it's very very doubtful we could afford to ice a team of purely possession players even if some here might want to.
The most important stat of all are wins and it doesn't matter how we get them as long as we get enough of them.
The toughness conversation, I am assuming is regarding Glass.
What I hope for is Vigneault and Arniel laying out a specific role and objective for Glass. Get in on the forecheck, try to pin the opposition deep, go to the net and stay there when we have possession.
If he can follow that, he could wind up a useful player. Not worth 1.45 x 3, but still useful.
Vigneault liked him and wanted him, now the onus is on Vigneault to get this player to buy into a specific role, and motivate him to carry it through.
What I hope for is Vigneault and Arniel laying out a specific role and objective for Glass. Get in on the forecheck, try to pin the opposition deep, go to the net and stay there when we have possession.
If he can follow that, he could wind up a useful player. Not worth 1.45 x 3, but still useful.
Vigneault liked him and wanted him, now the onus is on Vigneault to get this player to buy into a specific role, and motivate him to carry it through.
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