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We need at least one more veteran winger. Defense has good depth with 7 vets and two potential rookies in McIlrath and Allen. Centers have enough depth because one of Miller or Lindberg can handle the job of a third liner (though I would want an upgrade on Brassard at 2C).

But wingers are sorely missing. We can't go to battle with this crop.
 
ElectrocutedCat said:
Hmm.

Not sure what trades could be made without creating other holes.

That didn't really rule out free agency though.

Still hope Setoguchi can be signed for a low price.
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We still have a first rounder in 2016 and 2017.

On a more serious note, we actually might trade a third rounder or something for a depth player, but I would hope that we could get rid of our Rash in return for a couple of solid young second liners.
 
BBKers said:
One of Ribiero/ P Mueller / Penner
Carter

Trade for Morin/MPS
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THat makes sense.... none of those players cost assets and are depth signings... Ribiero and Penner have such low stock that they can sign VERY small deals and we can still fit them under the cap...

I like this because it allows the flexibility of weening Miller into the roster, vs just giving him the spot and hoping he pans out... We tried that with Kreider, and it did not work... THen again, Miller is a PPG in the AHL, so it's really a coinflip... Regardless, This allows us to keep proven NHL players in the lineup while giving kids the chances they deserve... if nobody grabs the spot that is offered, then you slot the proven guys in and go from there. If the kid makes it, place the unnecessary player on waivers, and he'll either be taken, or sent down. Given how small the deals can be made out to be (you can probably knock another $250k off of Penner and Ribiero below), it's a small gamble, and it still allows us to keep our RFA's signed, including a multi year contract for brass, and a 3-4 year deal for Zucc.

Cerny also had a good point in the fact that they need to figure out what the RFA's will cost to the single dollar, because we can't afford to hand out depth deals that are $1M or more without the risk of compromising the ability to sign Zucc, Brass, and Kreider to contracts... once they have an idea of what those #'s will be, then I think we'll see some signings.

Holy Capspace!

CAPGEEK.COM ARMCHAIR GM ROSTER
CapGeek Armchair GM Roster
FORWARDS
Chris Kreider ($1.750m) / Derek Stepan ($3.075m) / Martin St. Louis ($5.625m)
Carl Hagelin ($2.250m) / Mike Ribeiro ($1.500m) / Rick Nash ($7.800m)
Dustin Penner ($1.500m) / Derick Brassard ($4.000m) / Mats Zuccarello ($3.500m)
Tanner Glass ($1.450m) / Dominic Moore ($1.500m) / Chris Mueller ($0.600m)
J.T. Miller ($0.894m) /
DEFENSEMEN
Ryan McDonagh ($4.700m) / Dan Girardi ($5.500m)
Marc Staal ($3.975m) / Dan Boyle ($4.500m)
John Moore ($1.300m) / Kevin Klein ($2.900m)
Matt Hunwick ($0.600m) /
GOALTENDERS
Henrik Lundqvist ($8.500m)
Cameron Talbot ($0.563m)
BUYOUTS
Wade Redden ($0.000m)
Brad Richards ($0.000m)
BONUS OVERAGE
$0
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CAPGEEK.COM TOTALS (follow @capgeek on Twitter)
(estimations for 2014-15)
SALARY CAP: $69,000,000; CAP PAYROLL: $67,981,667; BONUSES: $350,000
CAP SPACE (22-man roster): $1,018,333
 
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New scenario - we need to get cheaper, Calgary has tonnes of cap space:

Brassard and Staal for Backlund and Brodie.

Sign Ribeiro and Penner.

We can afford long-term extensions for Zucc and Kreider which we will reap the benefits of in just a few years.

CAPGEEK.COM ARMCHAIR GM ROSTER
CapGeek Armchair GM Roster
FORWARDS
Dustin Penner ($1.500m) / Mikael Backlund ($1.500m) / Rick Nash ($7.800m)
Carl Hagelin ($2.250m) / Derek Stepan ($3.075m) / Martin St. Louis ($5.625m)
Chris Kreider ($3.750m) / Mike Ribeiro ($2.000m) / Mats Zuccarello ($4.250m)
Tanner Glass ($1.450m) / Dominic Moore ($1.500m) / Jesper Fast ($0.805m)
Chris Mueller ($0.600m) /
DEFENSEMEN
Ryan McDonagh ($4.700m) / Dan Girardi ($5.500m)
T.J. Brodie ($2.125m) / Dan Boyle ($4.500m)
John Moore ($1.000m) / Kevin Klein ($2.900m)
Matt Hunwick ($0.600m) /
GOALTENDERS
Henrik Lundqvist ($8.500m)
Cameron Talbot ($0.563m)
BUYOUTS
Wade Redden ($0.000m)
Brad Richards ($0.000m)
BONUS OVERAGE
$0
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CAPGEEK.COM TOTALS (follow @capgeek on Twitter)
(estimations for 2014-15)
SALARY CAP: $69,000,000; CAP PAYROLL: $66,492,500; BONUSES: $95,000
CAP SPACE (22-man roster): $2,507,500
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I'm not sure Calgary does that trade however.
 
Blue Blooded said:
New scenario - we need to get cheaper, Calgary has tonnes of cap space:

Brassard and Staal for Backlund and Brodie.

Sign Ribeiro and Penner.

We can afford long-term extensions for Zucc and Kreider which we will reap the benefits of in just a few years.



I'm not sure Calgary does that trade however.
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Would absolutely love that trade. However, Calgary would not. We definitely need to add to that one.
 
Seems to me, just by going through capgeek and checking, all of Kostka, Hunwick, Mueller, Chris Bourque, Tarnasky, Ryan Bourque will all have to be exposed to waivers if they plan on reassigning them to the AHL this year.

Unless I am missing something, which is possible as I am not a CBA expert, these armchair GM scenarios where those guys are not being counted against the cap are assuming the Rangers are going to waive those players.
 
Off Sides said:
Seems to me, just by going through capgeek and checking, all of Kostka, Hunwick, Mueller, Chris Bourque, Tarnasky, Ryan Bourque will all have to be exposed to waivers if they plan on reassigning them to the AHL this year.

Unless I am missing something, which is possible as I am not a CBA expert, these armchair GM scenarios where those guys are not being counted against the cap are assuming the Rangers are going to waive those players.
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Of course. You can only pick up a player on waivers if you intend to have him on your NHL roster. I don't see any other NHL team jumping at the chance to pick any of those guys up at the start of the season.

After some injuries, sure, but by then they are safe and sound in the AHL.
 
Mikael Baklund as the #1C? Now I've seen it all. As a #3C? That would actually be a fantastic fit.

Penner is, despite his flaws, a decent option to replace Pouliot if he comes cheapish. Huge body who can hit and get to the net. Doesn't skate or finish as well off the rush as BP, but he certainly has scoring potential if he's riding shotgun to skill players.
 
Trxjw said:
Mikael Baklund as the #1C? Now I've seen it all. As a #3C? That would actually be a fantastic fit.

Penner is, despite his flaws, a decent option to replace Pouliot if he comes cheapish. Huge body who can hit and get to the net. Doesn't skate or finish as well off the rush as BP, but he certainly has scoring potential if he's riding shotgun to skill players.
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Those were just exampels of lines, the order wasn't important. Nash's line happened to be line 1.

Here is another way to assemble that forward corps (though Kreider might have a hard time scoring):

Zuccarello-Ribeiro-Nash
Hagelin-Stepan-St. Louis
Kreider-Backlund-Penner
Glass-Moore-Fast
 
Blue Blooded said:
Of course. You can only pick up a player on waivers if you intend to have him on your NHL roster. I don't see any other NHL team jumping at the chance to pick any of those guys up at the start of the season.

After some injuries, sure, but by then they are safe and sound in the AHL.
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I do not know enough about them, no team would want to pick them up to carry as an extra? Seems like Kostka at the very least would garner some interest. Maybe Hunwick and Mueller as well.
 
Off Sides said:
I do not know enough about them, no team would want to pick them up to carry as an extra? Seems like Kostka at the very least would garner some interest. Maybe Hunwick and Mueller as well.
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Most teams already have their extras, also two of those guys are likely to be our 13F and 7D.
 
Blue Blooded said:
Most teams already have their extras, also two of those guys are likely to be our 13F and 7D.
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Okay fair enough, just seems (although I never paid much attention) like the Rangers never waive anyone who they think might get picked up to start a season.
 
Kostka will 100% be the 7th defenseman. 600K. Mueller and Tarnasky are at 600K each. 12th and 13th forwards.

These guys will be on the roster in October. 1.8M for three players. That's only 350K more than Glass by himself.

You need cheap role guys, especially when cap strapped like the Rangers are. That's the reality of the situation.

If the Rangers gut any more of their core or sacrifice any more futures, they're stupid. Pouliot's role needs to be filled, but there will be cheap options available. Pouliot was a value signing. Journeyman. It paid off. Rangers need to find a guy being overlooked by others, and get him on a cheap contract and see if they can get value there.

Stempniak, Setoguchi, Ribeiro (not enamored with him, though). Don't lose any assets. If the player doesn't fit, send him packing.
 
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ElectrocutedCat said:
Kostka will 100% be the 7th defenseman. 600K. Mueller and Tarnasky are at 600K each. 12th and 13th forwards.

These guys will be on the roster in October. 1.8M for three players. That's only 350K more than Glass by himself.

You need cheap role guys, especially when cap strapped like the Rangers are. That's the reality of the situation.

If the Rangers gut any more of their core or sacrifice any more futures, they're stupid. Pouliot's role needs to be filled, but there will be cheap options available. Pouliot was a value signing. Journeyman. It paid off. Rangers need to find a guy being overlooked by others, and get him on a cheap contract and see if they can get value there.

Stempniak, Setoguchi, Ribeiro (not enamored with him, though). Don't lose any assets. If the player doesn't fit, send him packing.
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But if they do carry those players, and very much depending on what the RFAs actually get, I am not so sure they have the cap space to even sign any other players considering they also have to save a bit of space for team maintenance(call ups in case of early season injury) However if they did sign them, I guess they could feel more secure in waiving someone else to free up some cap space.

Don't know, just get the feeling what they currently have may be what they are planning on starting the season with.
 
By the calculations i made after these guys were signed, after the RFAs are signed, we should have about 2 million in cap space. That includes Mueller, Tarnasky, and Kostka.

That should be enough to sign Stempniak, for example, for about 1.4, and still have close to a million in cap space to operate with.

Tight. But it can work.
 
ElectrocutedCat said:
By the calculations i made after these guys were signed, after the RFAs are signed, we should have about 2 million in cap space. That includes Mueller, Tarnasky, and Kostka.

That should be enough to sign Stempniak, for example, for about 1.4, and still have close to a million in cap space to operate with.

Tight. But it can work.
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I think that is pretty close, but I do really wonder if we may get a surprise or two out of the RFA contracts. I mean really we are guesstimating with only couple hundred K one way or another, that would pretty much be the Rangers just buying up one more UFA year from either Brassard or Zucc.
 
Trxjw said:
Penner is, despite his flaws, a decent option to replace Pouliot if he comes cheapish. Huge body who can hit and get to the net. Doesn't skate or finish as well off the rush as BP, but he certainly has scoring potential if he's riding shotgun to skill players.
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To me, he's #4 of the 4 veteran winger options out there. Which isn't to say he's a bad option.
 
Trxjw said:
I assume Penner and Stempniak are two of the four, but who are the other two you're referring to? Setoguchi?
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That's one. The other is Booth.

I'm not sure Penner being #4 is based on anything rational. I might still be pissed at him for being so great on my fantasy team at first and then dropping the hell through the floor.
 
Ryan Malone.

He had a horrible year last year. Oh, but his Corsi was as high as it's been in the past 3 years.

I could see him on the 4th line with Moore and Glass.
 
Tawnos said:
That's one. The other is Booth.

I'm not sure Penner being #4 is based on anything rational. I might still be pissed at him for being so great on my fantasy team at first and then dropping the hell through the floor.
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I think I'd put Penner at #2. Setoguchi is a very good shooter, but brings virtually nothing else to the table. Booth really looks like he's completely lost his game. Stempniak is the only one I'd put above Pancakes, but that's more for his versatility than anything else.

I definitely feel your pain fantasy wise though.
 
Finding a way to get the Foligno brothers in NY would be a huge step towards improving our roster's physicality and depth on the wings.

Unfortunately, you have to give to get and I'm not sure we'd be willing to part with what it would take.
 
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