Speculation: 2014 - 2015 New York Rangers :: Roster building / proposal thread Part III

[JESSEWENEEDTOCOOK]

Kreider-Stepan-MSL
Hagelin-MIller-Nash
Stempniak-Brassard-Zuccarello

Kreider-Stepan-Nash
Hagelin-Miller-MSL
Stempniak-Brassard-Zuccarello

I would keep Kreider/Stepan, Hagelin/MSL, and Brassard/Zuccarello together. Don't think the forward lines would look pretty with Stepan-Kreider-Zuccarello as a line.

 

[Tawnos]

Why not put MSL with miller? He can make Miller the center he needs to be.

Because Miller will most likely be getting the least ice time of the 3 centers. Why would you want to give the best offensive player we should have the 3rd most ice time of RWs?

 

[Infinitum Vitae*]

Hard to create by yourself when you're double-teamed or at the least the focal point every time you step on the ice?

Nash will have Kreider (step)
Zucc will have brass (stemp)
MSL will have hags (miller)

All three will complement their line mates which makes for balance scoring.

 

[Wolfy*]

Here's what happens when Nash is on the ice with Zucc and Brassard, maybe you're right about playing Nash on that line

 

[Infinitum Vitae*]

Kreider-Stepan-MSL
Hagelin-MIller-Nash
Stempniak-Brassard-Zuccarello

Kreider-Stepan-Nash
Hagelin-Miller-MSL
Stempniak-Brassard-Zuccarello

I would keep Kreider/Stepan, Hagelin/MSL, and Brassard/Zuccarello together. Don't think the forward lines would look pretty with Stepan-Kreider-Zuccarello as a line.

This!

 

[Infinitum Vitae*]

Btw when Nash had that scoring streak he played with step and Kreider

 

[Infinitum Vitae*]

In torts system I say yeah load up the top two lines but in AV's system I'd rather have it balanced out since he spreads out the ice time so well.

 

[JESSEWENEEDTOCOOK]

Kreider-MIller-Nash could be interesting

 

[silverfish]

Nash will have Kreider (step)
Zucc will have brass (stemp)
MSL will have hags (miller)

All three will complement their line mates which makes for balance scoring.

I want MSL, Nash, or Zucc nowhere near Miller.

MSL is a top-line RWer. Not a third line RWer. Not a guy who's here just to "carry the rookie". He's here to score 70 or more points.

Nash to LW, and we have a top-6 capable of putting up close to 300 combined points if all goes (very) well.

I get the idea to balance out the lines, but MSL isn't the one to do that with. Plus, a Hagelin - Miller - Stempniak line could be a good two-way third line unit for us if Miller gets his head out of his ass in the D zone.

 

[Infinitum Vitae*]

I want MSL, Nash, or Zucc nowhere near Miller.

MSL is a top-line RWer. Not a third line RWer. Not a guy who's here just to "carry the rookie". He's here to score 70 or more points.

Nash to LW, and we have a top-6 capable of putting up close to 300 combined points if all goes (very) well.

I get the idea to balance out the lines, but MSL isn't the one to do that with. Plus, a Hagelin - Miller - Stempniak line could be a good two-way third line unit for us if Miller gets his head out of his ass in the D zone.

Funny that MSL had no problem "carrying the rookie" in Tampa

 

[Zil]

I'd be a lot more apt to pair Nash with Miller than St. Louis with Miller. Marty makes more sense playing with Stepan and Kreider.

 

[Ail]

Funny that MSL had no problem "carrying the rookie" in Tampa

Probably the first, and last time I will ever agree with something you post, but you're right. MSL has probably "carried rookies" plenty in his career and still put up points. Last year is a good example.

One of the top three RW are going to play with Miller unless he either a.) doesn't make the team or b.) plays wing. Even if b is true, he may still play with one of them on the left.

Every line in the top-9 can't all be players with massive experience or equal levels of skill so no one gets "carried." It happens.

 

[Infinitum Vitae*]

Probably the first, and last time I will ever agree with something you post, but you're right. MSL has probably "carried rookies" plenty in his career and still put up points. Last year is a good example.

One of the top three RW are going to play with Miller unless he either a.) doesn't make the team or b.) plays wing. Even if b is true, he may still play with one of them on the left.

Every line in the top-9 can't all be players with massive experience or equal levels of skill so no one gets "carried." It happens.

Um thank you. I think

 

[THE BIG WHISTLE]

I want MSL, Nash, or Zucc nowhere near Miller.

MSL is a top-line RWer. Not a third line RWer. Not a guy who's here just to "carry the rookie". He's here to score 70 or more points.

Nash to LW, and we have a top-6 capable of putting up close to 300 combined points if all goes (very) well.

I get the idea to balance out the lines, but MSL isn't the one to do that with. Plus, a Hagelin - Miller - Stempniak line could be a good two-way third line unit for us if Miller gets his head out of his ass in the D zone.

Well let's be glad your not the coach, though you eerily sound a lot like Adam Rotter LOL

 

[Mac n Gs]

MSL feeding Kreider from the low right wall while Kreider crashes the net *drool*

Miller and Nash could be another interesting combo as JT and Hags could battle hard behind the net and feed Nash in front

 

[Nyrvana]

Either way I like. The thing is we will probably see both scenarios during the year as AV will try and jump start the team during an inevitable slump period.

Hagelin Miller MSL would be a good line in my opinion. Hagelin's speed would hopefully make up for some of the dumb defensive plays Miller will make. There's little doubt that if Miller gets ice time, he will put up points with those two, imo.

 

[RGY]

When hags was with Richard and cally last year he was invisible. MSL came along and he finally started playing better hockey and scoring. Stempniak played in PITT with Crosby who is a play making machine so it only makes sense to put him with our best playmaker (Zucc). Miller needs a Vet to play with him so they can help him with the ups and downs like Nash did with Kreider (Kreider even mentioned nash playing that role to help him as a player as did Richards). So hags and MSL seems like a Tandon waiting to happen all they need is a center (Miller). Zucc and brass are a duo who need a winger (Stemp). Your not even factoring chemistry which is a VERY IMPORTANT factor, it can make or break a line. I indeed factor in chemistry with already having two players who played together last season and just making a minor adjustment to their lines.

MSL is a vocal Vet that miller needs. I can definitely see MSL as the guy that lights a fire under Miller's ***** when he hits a slump. Also MSL is a super star and someone guys like Miller look up to so he's more likely to grasp Miller's attention more then stempniak.

I agree with both your posts. Exactly what I have been thinking for a long time now.

Kreider/Stepan
Hagelin/MSL
Brass/Zucc

Those 3 pairs right there have great chemistry together. They all FEED OFF each other and that to me is the key. I agree with you in that it makes sense for Miller to play with MSL...and Hags too will have a good effect on his game because of his speed and ability to retrieve pucks aka do the dirty work. MSL is a great voice in that room. I think we saw that in the playoffs no matter what the unfortunate circumstances were. He will be a good guy to keep Miller in check the same way Richards had with Del Zotto during his first season here in 2011-2012.

So that leaves Nash and Stemp. And I think it makes a lot more sense to have Nash with kreider/stepan than with brass/zucc. They have played so much together already and it avoids making zucc or Nash move away from RW though I think either could make the adjustment if really necessary. I also think though Stemp may be smaller in stature than Poo...he plays a tough gritty game and is willing to battle while having the foot speed to keep up with Brass/Zucc. Those lines just make too much sense.

 

[silverfish]

Funny that MSL had no problem "carrying the rookie" in Tampa

Ondrej Palat is miles... MILES better than JT Miller. 59 points as a rookie. I'll be shocked if JT Miller EVER records 59 points in a season in the NHL.

Ever.

Here are some things to debunk this narrative, though:

Palat's CF% was higher when he was without MSL, his Goals For % was also higher.

This Palat/MSL thing is a nice narrative I've been seeing when people put MSL with Miller. Fact is? Palat is just a damn good hockey player. Better than Miller.

Well let's be glad your not the coach, though you eerily sound a lot like Adam Rotter LOL

Is Rotter the SNY guy? Because if so, that's the meanest thing anyone has ever said to me

And I too am glad I'm not the Rangers coach. I don't even know if I can ice skate. Talk about a disaster.

 

[Mac n Gs]

To say Miller won't record 49 more points over the span of his career is a wee bit ridiculous. I know you don't like Miller as a player, but c'mon now.

You're jumping way too far to an extreme. Give Miller a chance to establish a role first before you make that judgment.

 

[silverfish]

to say miller won't record 49 more points over the span of his career is a wee bit ridiculous. I know you don't like miller as a player, but c'mon now.

You're jumping way too far to an extreme. Give miller a chance to establish a role first before you make that judgment.

*59

 

[Infinitum Vitae*]

Is Rotter the SNY guy? Because if so, that's the meanest thing anyone has ever said to me

And I too am glad I'm not the Rangers coach. I don't even know if I can ice skate. Talk about a disaster.

If it makes you feel any better, your still a better skater than stu bickell

 

[Infinitum Vitae*]

What if Miller scores the OT GWG GAME 7 SCF goal. Would you like him then silverfish?

 

[silverfish]

If it makes you feel any better, your still a better skater than stu bickell

It does. Poor, Stu

What if Miller scores the OT GWG GAME 7 SCF goal. Would you like him then silverfish?

It's not that I dislike Miller. I'm rooting very hard for him. I want him to succeed. I want him to be a good player. I want him to lift the cup as a New York Ranger.

I just, don't see him being that player for us. I want to be wrong so bad. It'll be delicious crow.

And since I don't necessarily see that from him, I try to defend my stance as to why rather than just saying "gah Miller sucks". Ya know?

Prove me wrong, JT. Please.

 

[Mac n Gs]

*59

Already has 10 career points. You said he won't hit 59 ever. Hence 49 more points.

 

[silverfish]

Already has 10 career points. You said he won't hit 59 ever. Hence 49 more points.

I meant in one season. My fault.