Raspewtin
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Speculation: 2014 - 2015 New York Rangers :: Roster building / proposal thread Part III
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I will make sure to dumb my posts down, refrain from using sarcasm or hyperbole. I will triple-check all my posts to make sure they don't contain any language above a 3rd-grade reading comprehension level.
John Moore doesn't constantly
- fumble the puck under whisper-thin pressure
- make unforced turnovers
- miss the net high and wide
- get beat wide because of his lack of footspeed
- force stretch-passes to try to make up for his defensive deficiencies
Del Zotto showed promise in his rookie season. Ever since then, he's been on a downward trend. I wouldn't be surprised if there were some off-ice issues (drugs? sexuality? abuse?) we don't know about that contributed to his curious decline. Not often do players so severely regress from age 19 to 24. His defense is actually worse than it initially was. I'm not sure how one even explains that. And any offensive acumen and ability has all but dried up. He simply does not have the ability to impact the game in a positive way for his team.
One other aspect that hasn't been mentioned? Del Zotto doesn't seem to be the most coachable player. He's a cocky "bro." Swagger should be earned.
John Moore, on the other hand, seems very coachable, watched tons of tape with Ulfie and learns from his mistakes. He's on the upswing. He got some undeserved flack this past season because he was the 6th best defenseman in the lineup, which automatically makes him the worst defenseman in the lineup, so anytime a puck went in with him on the ice, it automatically became 100% his fault so some uninformed fans.
Moore has a bright future with still-untapped potential and continues to improve. Del Zotto has become one of the youngest reclamation projects in the history of the league.
aufheben
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Come on, John Moore is more sheltered than a baby sparrow. Get's like 99% of his starts in the O-zone.
Raspewtin
Stay at home defenseman hater
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An entire post filled with wrong
.Literally everything you listed that Moore doesn't do, I've caught him doing at least once, except get beat wide because of skating. He absolutely gets beat a lot. He has the defensive IQ of a rock.
Can't count how many times this year I caught him not tying up a stick or puck watching, leading DIRECTLY to a goal.
Wtf are you talking about DZ isn't coachable? What does Moore watching tape have to do with being coachable? What does any of this mean? Are you just making **** up to rip on DZ?
Moore has a bright future as a #5 defenseman who can carry the puck sometimes. I don't see this untapped potential you speak of. His hockey IQ is garbo.
Oh, and DZ being the youngest reclamation project ever? lol, no, not really.
I lol'd at "I caught John Moore doing those things at least once."
Thanks for further bolstering my point.
Thanks for further bolstering my point.
Raspewtin
Stay at home defenseman hater
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Because obviously I remember every bad shift John Moore ever had.
And because obviously DZ would just royally **** up, every game. He's not nearly as bad as you're painting him. Definitely bad, but not this horrendous turnover machine that a cup of water would be better than.
Thanks for offering nothing intelligent as a retort. I've learned to expect it from you.
Thirty One
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That's why he wasn't signed until August when the defensively-desperate Flyers gave him a shot on a 1 year deal @ 1.3M.
Deadline deals:
1) Nash for Boychuk (UFA-to-be) and Marchand (Nash waives NTC to go to Boston where he can be on a contender without having to be "the guy.")
2) Klein and Lindberg for Vermette (UFA-to-be)
Kreider Stepan St. Louis
Marchand Brassard Zuccarello
Hagelin Vermette Stempniak
Glass Moore Lombardi
Miller
McDonagh Girardi
Staal Boyle
Moore Boychuk
Allen
Lundqvist
Girardi
1) Nash for Boychuk (UFA-to-be) and Marchand (Nash waives NTC to go to Boston where he can be on a contender without having to be "the guy.")
2) Klein and Lindberg for Vermette (UFA-to-be)
Kreider Stepan St. Louis
Marchand Brassard Zuccarello
Hagelin Vermette Stempniak
Glass Moore Lombardi
Miller
McDonagh Girardi
Staal Boyle
Moore Boychuk
Allen
Lundqvist
Girardi
Thirty One
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I'm trying to find where it was reported that Del Zotto refused to watch video, but I'm having trouble.
Raspewtin
Stay at home defenseman hater
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Marchand??? I think the last thing this team needs is another forward under 5'10 in the top 6
I'm having trouble finding where anyone said DZ refused to watch video.
However, it was painfully evident that DZ rarely, if ever, learned from his mistakes, continuing to force the same low-percentage plays and find himself in the same high-risk situations...whereas John Moore has steadily improved and seemingly minimized many of the errors that he and Ulfie observed in the video-room. DZ has regressed while John Moore has progressed as a defenseman. It doesn't get much simpler than that.
Of course not. Why would who a player is now matter at all in discussing the merits and flaws of said player?
Raspewtin
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Of course not. Why would who a player is now matter at all in discussing the merits and flaws of said player?
Did the whole point of this argument just fly over your head?
During his time here, the constant scrutiny of Del Zotto coupled with the ridiculous love for John Moore was ridiculous.
Couldn't be more wrong there. Don't know what your eyes see, but JMoore was Justin Falk sheltered all season, and even more so in the playoffs.
Team has lost at least 5 OT playoff games the last 2 seasons when JMoore was on the ice and either didn't tie his guy up, or defend properly.
John Moore is very much an enigma to me.
I'm not quite sure what he is or what kind of player he will be.
Obviously he has some noteworthy tools and is still quite young yet: so on one hand I see untapped or slowly being realized potential.
On the other hand he doesn't seem to have much "presence" or "push" to his game.
So, he is a puzzle and only time will tell what he becomes. Realistically, I can't evaluate him yet.
I'm not quite sure what he is or what kind of player he will be.
Obviously he has some noteworthy tools and is still quite young yet: so on one hand I see untapped or slowly being realized potential.
On the other hand he doesn't seem to have much "presence" or "push" to his game.
So, he is a puzzle and only time will tell what he becomes. Realistically, I can't evaluate him yet.
TheTakedown
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I would have loved to see MDZ with Klein.
MDZ at this point is better than Moore, just not in NYR.
I think Moore will end up being the better defenseman in 2 years
MDZ at this point is better than Moore, just not in NYR.
I think Moore will end up being the better defenseman in 2 years
I thought john moore really progressed throughout the playoffs. He has the upside you want to see from a 5/6. He will continue to progress with ULF staying as d-coach
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