False McD did play the right side in the Olympics and he played great. Facts bro facts
Speculation: 2014 - 2015 New York Rangers :: Roster building / proposal thread Part III
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False McD did play the right side in the Olympics and he played great. Facts bro facts
The Olympics...
Has what to do with this conversation?
A short tournament with stacked rosters does not equal 82 game NHL season or many seasons of NHL hockey.
You said he never played the other side. I just let you know you were wrong
As is the case with a lot of players in professional sports. Players often step in and take advantage of other players' injuries.
That doesn't mean that Girardi hasn't played a huge role in McDonagh's development.
No i didn't. I never said they "never played" the opposite side. What i said is they don't play the opposite side.
Reading comprehension. I shouldn't have to explain the difference between a regular occurance and never.
They do not play the opposite side. That doesn't mean they can't. They aren't put in that spot in anything resembling a consistent basis. Maybe a PK or PP here or there, or on a line change when someone couldn't get off the ice.
If this were a situation that was going to happen, you don't think it would have happened already? Its not happening.
Go on believing Girardi hasn't earned his position, go on believing he hasn't had a big influence on McDonagh's development. Meanwhile what happens in reality will continue happening.
The staal hate is just plain stupid I mean have you watched the guy? You know the 1st round draft pick that made the team at 18 and is a anchor on our D
I think it will be
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Nash/Zuke-Brassard-Nash/Zuke
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Del Zotto was a 1st round pick and was playing when he was 19. Let's not pretend like that means anything.
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That's very fair. I have made the same argument on HFNYR countless times. My apologies. I just thought it was quite funny to read the things you wrote in the same post.
1. Wow, that's shocking. A 1st pairing defenseman logs more minutes than a 2nd pairing defenseman? I can't imagine why. Plus, Girardi was 2nd in ATOI on the team. Staal as third. A 3 minute difference in the regular season and the playoffs. Same ranking and difference.
2. Comes with the ice time, wouldn't you say?
3. See 2.
4. Yes, by 8 minutes. Over the course of an 82 game season, Staal took four more minors than Girardi. A whopping .05 more per game.
4b. Girardi had more PIMs in the playoffs.
5. Indisputable.
6. Good for G. McDonagh and their chemistry sure look good on him.
7. Durability is certainly huge for defenseman. Staal has been rock solid in that department since returning from one long-term freak injury. That does not make you injury prone.
8. McDonagh would've grown into an elite player with Strudwick as his partner. McDonagh's development has jack **** to do with Girardi. Girardi's never looked as good as he does next to McDonagh, except when he was playing with Staal before McDonagh came along.
9. +/- is the best stat ever. +7 differential for G in the regular season. +3 differential for Staal in the playoffs.
Excellent points. Let's look further?
Staal's most common teammates: Stralman, Klein. Hagelin, Zuccarello, Pouliot.
Girardi's most common teammates: McDonagh, Staal. Stepan, Nash, Kreider.
Possession stats?
Staal: CF relative: +3.5% ---- FF relative: +2.1%
Girardi: CF relative: -3.9% ---- FF relative: -3.2%
Points per 60?
Staal: 0.57
Girardi: 0.77
Relative Quality of Teammates?
Staal: -1.7%
Girardi: +1.5%
Relative Quality of Competition?
Staal: +0.2%
Girardi: +1.4%
And the ever important: Goal Differential per 60
Staal: 0.0
Girardi: +0.2
Now, the above is just for the regular season. The stats above ebb heavily into Staal's favor if looking at the playoffs.
And, I will top this post off with my disclaimer:
In relative terms, Girardi is currently more important to this team than Staal. Not because I believe Girardi to be the better player, but simply because he is by far and away the best right-handed defenseman on this team. But, I do believe that Girardi is the 3rd best defenseman we currently have.
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Right. And Jeff Beukeboom didn't allow Brian Leetch to flourish either.
The bottom line is the defense has been the cornerstone of our success for several years. Finding quality reliable and steady defensemen are not that easy to come by. I think many of you forget the defensemen we had during the dark years and even when we were making the playoffs after the lockout in 2004-2005. I'd say we have 4 very steady defensemen in McD, Girardi, Staal, and Klein. Klein was very solid for us since we acquired him. Moore has more to learn and Boyle has regressed somewhat with age but certainly isn't awful. The goal should be to get Staal re-signed and go from there. If they can't then make a decision at the deadline. But trading Staal should not be go to move. Trading Girardi is not even in the discussion.
You, my friend, are 100% accurate.
Those pencilling in MSL with JT Miller should stick to NHL 14.
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I think MSL,Hags, and Miller is line that could work. By the way what is NHL 14 ?!!
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C'mon, you could have played with Leetchie and he still would have flourished. And I don't even know you
Where has anyone said they hate Staal?
His draft position has nothing to do with anything. Is there something wrong with Lundqvist? He was a7th round draft pick. Girardi was undrafted. His accomplishments are tainted because he wasn't drafted?
No one is arguing against what Staal had done in the past. There is warranted concern about his future because:
-He is no longer, and hasn't been for a while, the top LHD on this team.
-He has had at least three (that we know of) concussions, broken facial bones, and a severely damaged eye all in the last three seasons. He missed over 70 games in that span.
-He will be paid like a #1 defenseman, and he is no longer a #1 defenseman on this team.
These are legitimate concerns.
Next summer Stepan, Hagelin, and Zuccarello need to be retained, as well.
Our #1 center, a top six winger, and our top scorer.
Staal is more important than Callahan was, but its a similar situation, there is no right or wrong decision, only hard decisions.
Can Staal return to and maintain his level of play from before the head injuries. He had another concussion this season. Can he stay healthy? How many more concussions before he can't play anymore?
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#Norris4Fox
Yeah, the anchor on the D part is cool. Being a 1st round pick doesn't mean ****.
Literally this.
Literally this.
Yeah, but when we are talking about Leetch, we are talking about one of the greatest defensemen of all time, and he still had his nurturers.
How is it offensive or taboo for people to admit reality, that no player is immune to being a product of their environment. Every great player can credit their development to the coaches, players, and everyone else they encounter, good and bad, through their career.
Its utter ignorance and delusion to believe that players don't benefit and grow from the strengths of their teammates on and off the ice.
There is a reason a rebuilding team full of #1s and top 10s continue to be bottom feeders. No leadership, no guidance.
Anyone who really believes Girardi didn't help McDonagh blossom the last three years, is fooling themselves.
The same way that even a great like Leetch, has openly admitted that a guy like Beukeboom helped develop him into the elite player Leetch became. James Patrick helped, Messier helped. Lowe helped. Thats not a diservice to Leetch. If anything its a testament to his willingness to learn and grow as a player.
Lundqvist has had a huge impact on McDonagh's development, as well. Maybe more than any other player.
But, yeah, McDonagh didn't need anyone, its all him:
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Girardi holding McDonagh's dirty jock
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Sorry but the reason Leetch flourished is he was one of the once in a life time talents. Moose said this himself while talking about Leetch. If you think it was because of Buek playing with him was the reason he flourished, then my friend, you never saw Leetch play. With your reasoning with Mac and Giraldi, that the reason where Mac is right now is because of Giraldi, that's like saying the reason Crosby is good is because of Duprius. The talented players ALWAYS make the less talented players better. The one thing Mac and Giraldi have is good chemistry but so did Staal and Giraldi
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