LaffyTaffyNYR
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Ah, the old Thornton's team has never won anything so that makes him the only reason why debate again..
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Speculation: 2014 - 2015 New York Rangers :: Roster building / proposal thread Part II
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I don't want him either. He's aging, declining (not rapidly but still) and will cost more then we can afford based on our recent acquisitions (Nash & MSL).
That being said, to call him a loser is frankly a disgrace.
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yeah, i dont get it. ive seen a lot of smart ppl make that idiotic argument.
Henrik hasnt won anytihng, therefore loser.
Ray Bourque didnt win anything till his last season was he a loser till then?
The same ppl said Marian Hossa is a loser because he hasnt won anything...since then he's won 2 cups, and been to the finals what...4 times?
dumb dumb DUMB argument.
Thornton is too old. Lets continue to build with youth and speed. Brassard is an interesting bargaining chip. Very good when the pressure increases ...ok in regular season. His place on the team needs to be evaluated correctly. Do we sign him to the reported 5m+ or is he a centerpiece to acquire Kane etc?
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Ok, so Joe Thornton should be called and classified "A Winner"? Fine then... Let's bring this Victorious One to Broadway and raise The Cup...
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We can't move Brass for another winger. He's either packaged with something else to upgrade at center, or he's staying as our 2C. No other way around it.
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Thornton is not a bad player at all. He hasn't won a cup, and his TEAMS lose in the playoffs, but he has still posted a 0.76 ppg scoring rate in the playoffs. I get it that people don't want to trade for him, and I wouldn't either for what it would cost, but don't call a guy who's gonna be a hall of famer a bad player. It's just imbecilic. Iginla never won a Cup either, but I don't see people ******** all over him.
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If were trading Brassard and other assets I would rather try to trade for ROR instead of an aging Thorton. If it was 5 years ago I would all for going for thorton
Is it ideal no...but with Lombard,Lindberg,Miller and Moore..you could conceivably try to have those 4 battle for the 3 center spots after Step. You only do it if you get something very good back like Kane.
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If Jumbo had one year left on his deal I'd be all about that, as I was Spezza. But three years?
Hard, hard pass.
Hard, hard pass.
Think I'd rather have those four battle for the last two spots. If Brassard is the "2C" then whoever wins the 3C job would effectively replacing Brassard's production. Not comfortable with any of them at this point replacing Brassard at the "3C", let alone fighting it out for spots 2-4.
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BBKers
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Hank has carried a Pretty mediocre team to the playoffs for almost every year he has been an Nhl starter. Vezina winner and basically annual finalist. He was also instrumental in winning an olympic gold. Thornton does indeed have one MVP season. And he also won an Olympic gold. But The Sharks have been a stacked team for years, yet always choking when The springbirds Return. Maybe he prefers golf to playing hockey in June? Like RB said, Boston cut their ties' with him and it worked out Pretty well for them, no? Apples and oranges imo. But everybody is entitled to their Own opinion here
2016 Free Agent Class
It seems to me looking at cap geek that Sather and some of the other GM's may be trying to do shorter deals to keep open cap space for the great 2016 UFA class including Stamkos, Kopitar, E Staal, R OReilly, Lucic, Yandle, Kesler, Byfuglin, Seabrook.
Am I giving slats too much credit or are deals becoming shorter on the norm?
It seems to me looking at cap geek that Sather and some of the other GM's may be trying to do shorter deals to keep open cap space for the great 2016 UFA class including Stamkos, Kopitar, E Staal, R OReilly, Lucic, Yandle, Kesler, Byfuglin, Seabrook.
Am I giving slats too much credit or are deals becoming shorter on the norm?
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BBKers
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Nobody's calling him Messier, but he's not a "loser" because his teams haven't won the cup.
He's been a huge part of the PLENTY of winning they've done during the regular season over the last decade. He's a very good hockey player. He's probably the best set-up man in the game along with Sidney Crosby. If those two can't make a certain pass, nobody in the league can as far as I'm concerned.
I'd be all for bringing Thornton to a winning environment in NY. The only question is at what cost? Brassard + prospects? Of course. Staal+? Probably (only because we could suffer the loss on defense temporarily and because Staal might walk in 11 months anyway and to get an asset like Thornton signed to a great deal for 3 more years would be a steal) It's also a lot easier to find a 2nd-pair defenseman (even though Staal could be a #1, he's the 2nd-pair guy HERE) than a 1st line center who can pass like Joe Thornton. Anything more than that? I don't think we can afford the cost to acquire him. The two teams aren't the best match as far as a trade goes. The only thing that helps is that SJ has three top-6 (arguably #1C) centers (Thornton, Pavelski, Couture) and plenty of depth at the center position. But that doesn't mean they're going to give Thornton away for free.
I'll bet that most of those players won't even make it to free agency. From that list, maybe Eric Staal and Kesler make it to free agency.
Yeah...you are probably right but I just think someone like Stamkos or Kopitar would put us over the top as being tops at least in the East.....so wishful thinking
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Close thread.
I think of that list, Ryan O'Reilly and Byfuglien are going to be the only ones who MIGHT hit free agency, and there's a good chance ROR doesn't because he will likely be traded before his contract is up and the team acquiring him will want to sign him to an extension immediately.
Of course we should all be praying for Tampa Bay to completely SUCK / BOMB / TANK this season and next so that Stamkos decides he's had enough losing and hits the free agent market, in which case he will be the most sought after UFA in the history of the game. I'd give him the MAX for 10 years easily. The thought of Stamkos in Rangers blue makes me erect.
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Gardner McKay
RIP, Jimmy.
That isn't what I am asking. You called Thornton a loser. Based upon your criteria of what it takes to be a loser, Lundqvist would be one as well.
100 points in 132 playoff games. What more do you want from him? Boston winning had nothing to do with cutting their ties to Jumbo Joe. It had to do with Tim Thomas playing out of his mind and Zdeno Chara being the best dman in the league at the time. They were stacked a stacked team as well. You really think if they had Joe Thornton in addition to all of those players they would have lost in the SC finals simply because of the notion that Joe Thornton is a loser? Give me a break. If he is a loser than what does that make Rick Nash?
to be fair, I don't know if I would say not having Thornton springboarded the Bruins into the Stanley Cup. It was several years later and the year after Thornton left Chara joined. I think Chara had as much to do with them winning than Thornton being traded. That, and goaltending was solidified a few years later and that also helped. Who was in goal when he was there? Raycroft? Felix Potvin? Dafoe? Grahame? Think I've exhausted my knowledge of Boston goalies, and can't even say if any of them played meaningful games?
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