Speculation: 2014 - 2015 New York Rangers :: Roster building / proposal thread Part II

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It doesn't add up because your lines are simply...wrong.

With our wing depth now, Hagelin is absolutely not a top-6 forward. He can slot up on occasion, especially to use his speed to jumpstart a struggling line / player. His versatility / ability to slot anywhere in the lineup and be effective playing his game is an extremely valuable asset.

Along with that, Brassard is not our 3rd line center, Zuccarello won't be on the third line either, J.T. Miller is not a winger and has no reason to be with the vacant 3C spot glaring.

Here are the most plausible lines:

Kreider Stepan St. Louis
Nash Brassard Zuccarello
Hagelin [3C] Stempniak
Glass Moore Lombardi

[3C] = competition in training camp between Miller, Lindberg, and Lombardi (who can play on the 4th line if he doesn't win the 3C spot)

Explanation:


Kreider Stepan St. Louis

Kreider and Stepan have chemistry together. Stepan knows how to lead Kreider into an area with his passes so he can use his incredible speed to skate into it and create scoring chances out of nothing. St. Louis also found some chemistry with Stepan at times and has had great success playing with right-handed centers in recent history (granted: Stepan is not Stamkos).

Nash Brassard Zuccarello

Brassard and Zuccarello should remain together unless it's absolutely necessary to split them up. Their chemistry was our best tandem/duo throughout the season; they read each other well and are both great distributors of the puck. Their LW last season was Pouliot. Rick Nash is a slightly bigger, much better player. He's better at every aspect of hockey while having a similar body-type and skating stride. A rejuvenated Nash should fit in quite nicely with two guys who create offense as consistently as Brassard and Zuccarello. Conversely, Brass and Zucc should also see a jump in production based on a) increased ice-time now that Richards is gone and Brassard is forced into the 2C role out of necessity. Brassard will see significantly more minutes this season, and having Nash (who he very briefly played with in Columbus) on his wing, along with the familiar Zuccarello should help him continue to improve: He's still young enough to continue to develop and bloom into an even better player now that he seems to have found a comfortable home in NY and a solidified role / niche on AV's Rangers.

Hagelin [3C] Stempniak

Both Hagelin and Stempniak have proved that they are capable of playing solid two-way hockey. They don't give up much defensively and both can contribute secondary / depth scoring, as well as be moved around the lineup as needed (due to injuries, slumps, penalties, etc). Whoever their center is will be asked to play the same smart two-way hockey and contribute offensively while not being a liability in their own zone and in the neutral zone. Most fans seem to have J.T. Miller penciled in to this spot, but I wouldn't jump to that conclusion just yet. While Miller has the skill and physical maturity to be a mainstay at the NHL level, it remains to be seen if he's developed the mental toughness and consistency to succeed in such an important role. Oscar Lindberg and Matthew Lombardi have just as good of a chance to earn the 3C spot as well. Lindberg is still very young and has a very well-rounded game. He's comfortable in his own zone, never panics, and makes smart plays with and without the puck. The challenge will be to see if his offensive game can blossom at the NHL level. Lombardi will have similar challenges as he didn't play in the NHL last season, but did, however, put up very good numbers in the Swiss league. We know the injury history. He'll look to put that behind him and use his speed and offensive ability to challenge for a roster spot, whether it's the third line center or a 4th line wing / alternate center.

Glass Moore Lombardi

AV likes Glass. I'll leave it at that since I don't know much about the guy. Dominic Moore was stellar and at times, down-right clutch for NYR last season. I'm confident he'll have a similar year. He's become a leader on the PK (along with Hagelin), and is the epitome of reliable. His maximum effort every shift rubs off on his teammates; especially the younger players. Assuming one of Miller/Lindberg wins the 3C spot, this fourth line wing spot should be Lombardi's to lose. He doesn't have the toughest competition as Chris Mueller has a combined 46 career NHL games over parts of four seasons. He did, however, put up nearly a point-per-game for the Dallas Stars' AHL affiliate last season.

Excellent. I'm thinking along the same lines with a few tweaks:

1. I switch MZA and Nash. I can't stand him on the left and it takes away his nifty slot moves to get to his forehand.
2. I think Miller wins 3C and Fast bumps Lombardi to 13th F where he'll be a jack of all trades and play like 50 solid games. Lindberg is close.
 
Brassard and Zucc are like a married couple, AV certainly can't split them up.

I'd like to see Stempniak on their line, have a feeling he'll work very well with those two.
 
Brassard and Zucc are like a married couple, AV certainly can't split them up.

I'd like to see Stempniak on their line, have a feeling he'll work very well with those two.

if Brassard is going to be the 2c, wouldn't it make sense to put him with 2 very good wingers.. Zucc and (Nash or Kreider?)
 
The Rangers will have 48 SPCs when they eventually re-sign their remaining 3 group IIs. The Rangers usually leave room. The Rangers signed David LeNeveu during the season when they needed a goaltender. He was their 48th contract. You need to leave some flexibility with the number of contracts. Brooks writes about the Rangers adding a depth player but they're nearly at the 50 contract limit.
 
Nash isn't the right fit for Brass and Zucc. What is Nash's weakness? He has a one effort skillset. He pushes down on his turbo button and tries to pull off some magic. Sometimes he scores on it, sometimes he draws a penalty, and sometimes he falls down and the play is dead. What was the success of the Pouliot-Brass-Zucc line built off of? Second, third, and fourth efforts!!! Winning puck races and puck battles in the offensive zone. When it looked like the defense could move out we would cut off their time and space to keep them hemmed in.

After watching some gametape of Stempniak, I give him the first crack at it.
 
IF Jumbo Joe is being dumped as Captain it should be a matter of time before he's moved.

D Brassard +
for
Jumbo Joe.

Whats the + ?
Obviously the salary cap will force us to include players to help match the salary.

We have no first round pick next season. I think san jose may be ok with a Brassard + Hagelin + Staal for Joe + possible Dman?? I have no idea what San Jose's weakness is besides sucking in the playoffs so to get a warrior like Staal whos played a lot in the SCP and into the finals along with Brassard who has been money in the playoffs will help them...
 
IF Jumbo Joe is being dumped as Captain it should be a matter of time before he's moved.

D Brassard +
for
Jumbo Joe.

Whats the + ?
Obviously the salary cap will force us to include players to help match the salary.

We have no first round pick next season. I think san jose may be ok with a Brassard + Hagelin + Staal for Joe + possible Dman?? I have no idea what San Jose's weakness is besides sucking in the playoffs so to get a warrior like Staal whos played a lot in the SCP and into the finals along with Brassard who has been money in the playoffs will help them...

That's entirely too much for Thornton unless the Dman coming back is one of their best.
 
IF Jumbo Joe is being dumped as Captain it should be a matter of time before he's moved.

D Brassard +
for
Jumbo Joe.

Whats the + ?
Obviously the salary cap will force us to include players to help match the salary.

We have no first round pick next season. I think san jose may be ok with a Brassard + Hagelin + Staal for Joe + possible Dman?? I have no idea what San Jose's weakness is besides sucking in the playoffs so to get a warrior like Staal whos played a lot in the SCP and into the finals along with Brassard who has been money in the playoffs will help them...

Not a fan of gutting our team for Thornton, especially at his age. That would be a classic dark ages move
 
Joe Thornton doesn't want to leave San Jose. He doesn't care if he loses the captaincy. The Sharks took it away from Marleau and gave to Thornton. Marleau had no problem with it.

I am amazed people want to see this loser in New York.
 
The Rangers will have 48 SPCs when they eventually re-sign their remaining 3 group IIs. The Rangers usually leave room. The Rangers signed David LeNeveu during the season when they needed a goaltender. He was their 48th contract. You need to leave some flexibility with the number of contracts. Brooks writes about the Rangers adding a depth player but they're nearly at the 50 contract limit.

Does that 48 number include players like Duclair whose contract will slide?
 
51. There's been less about Joe Thornton lately. There were reports the Sharks might strip him of his captaincy, but one teammate said he doesn't think that would force out the centre. First of all, Thornton got the "C" when it was taken from Patrick Marleau, so it's something he's seen before. Second, the player said Thornton wants to stay and be part of the solution, so he'd deal with it.

52. This is really about the dressing room. For years, Thornton's been the alpha male, the guy in charge. The Sharks want to turn it over to Logan Couture, Joe Pavelski and Marc-Edouard Vlasic, but it has not been an easy transition. The other problem is, what happens if Thornton's out of the picture, but no one else is ready? The Sharks would like to begin the transition. But no one's sure how it will go.

http://www.cbc.ca/sports-content/ho...-defenceman-cash-in-on-free-agent-frenzy.html

The Sharks are a confused organization. Doug Wilson re-signs Thornton and Marleau to three year extensions. A few months later,Wilson wants to go in a different direction. Wilson talks about rebuilding and then backtracks on those comments. Wilson kept the coach. Wilson isn't rebuilding. The Sharks want to remain a competitive team and infuse more youth into their lineup. Join the club.
 
Does that 48 number include players like Duclair whose contract will slide?

Capgeek doesn't include Duclair. Its 48 with Duclair and Graves sliding. He has 50 players listed. Kristo accepted his qualifying offer. His agent Neil Sheehy tweeted it. NHLPA has it listed on the Rangers page.
Brassard,Moore and Bourque are the unsigned players.

http://capgeek.com/rangers/reserve-list/
 
I didn't think Tampa would get the return they did for MSL, "so what do I know". But just to further speculate, SJ would be forcing Joe T out. Not the other way around. Joe just resigned there, his contrac has been in effect a few weeks. It's not like he owes them anything, they changed their minds.

If SJ "force" his way out, it's not a guarantee that any "grade A" assets will be involved. And like watch what Ottawa got for Spezza and the Islanders for Vanek. Diffrent circumstances, but it stills shows that you don't always get what you want.

People should ridicule Joe T if we planned to give up 2-3 grade A assets for him. But if he was our "Gabby to LA" type of acquisition -- he undoubtedly makes us better.
 
Joe Thornton doesn't want to leave San Jose. He doesn't care if he loses the captaincy. The Sharks took it away from Marleau and gave to Thornton. Marleau had no problem with it.

I am amazed people want to see this loser in New York.

Some people just look at shiny point totals and... not much else.
 
Capgeek doesn't include Duclair. Its 48 with Duclair and Graves sliding. He has 50 players listed. Kristo accepted his qualifying offer. His agent Neil Sheehy tweeted it. NHLPA has it listed on the Rangers page.
Brassard, Moore and Bourque are the unsigned players.

http://capgeek.com/rangers/reserve-list/

Updated the stats in the first post in this thread so it becomes more comprehensive
 
Joe Thornton doesn't want to leave San Jose. He doesn't care if he loses the captaincy. The Sharks took it away from Marleau and gave to Thornton. Marleau had no problem with it.

I am amazed people want to see this loser in New York.

Lol, I don't want Jumbo in New York, but resorting to calling him a loser? He is one of the best players of this generation and has statistically speaking, been rather good in the playoffs as well.

The fact that he is solely blamed for his TEAMS constant playoff defeats is pathetic and a result of the embarrassment that is the USA media and the expectations heaped upon top players that can only do so much.

Rick Nash is not a winner because he made it to the SCF and frankly, had we won the cup, with his performance, I'd hardly call him a winner even then.
 
Lol, I don't want Jumbo in New York, but resorting to calling him a loser? He is one of the best players of this generation and has statistically speaking, been rather good in the playoffs as well.

The fact that he is solely blamed for his TEAMS constant playoff defeats is pathetic and a result of the embarrassment that is the USA media and the expectations heaped upon top players that can only do so much.

Rick Nash is not a winner because he made it to the SCF and frankly, had we won the cup, with his performance, I'd hardly call him a winner even then.

And you wouldn't call Lundqvist a loser because his team has not been able to win a Cup yet either. Heck, it took Ray Bourque 23 seasons at age 40 in probably his least productive playoffs to finally win. The focus is always on the guy who makes the most money; many forget it's still a team effort.
 
Lol, I don't want Jumbo in New York, but resorting to calling him a loser? He is one of the best players of this generation and has statistically speaking, been rather good in the playoffs as well.

The fact that he is solely blamed for his TEAMS constant playoff defeats is pathetic and a result of the embarrassment that is the USA media and the expectations heaped upon top players that can only do so much.

Rick Nash is not a winner because he made it to the SCF and frankly, had we won the cup, with his performance, I'd hardly call him a winner even then.

His teams have never won anything. Boston felt they wouldn't win with him and the player was traded. Boston management which included Gorton decided to make Bergeron their signature forward. The Kings players said they knew the Sharks were done after winning a couple of games in that series after the Sharks were up 3-0. They looked into the eyes of the Sharks players and they had them. If the Rangers blew that lead after all of the previous playoff failures, Thornton would be looked at as a loser in the eyes of Rangers fans. 0
 
His teams have never won anything. Boston felt they wouldn't win with him and the player was traded. Boston management which included Gorton decided to make Bergeron their signature forward. The Kings players said they knew the Sharks were done after winning a couple of games in that series after the Sharks were up 3-0. They looked into the eyes of the Sharks players and they had them. If the Rangers blew that lead after all of the previous playoff failures, Thornton would be looked at as a loser in the eyes of Rangers fans. 0

There's no way we're going to agree on this, but as the poster above said, is Henrik Lundqvist a loser? How about all the other people who never won a cup in their careers?

It's a team sports. And of all the sports, it may be the one most defined by team. The fact that one player goes out and plays 45 second shifts at a time clearly demonstrates that one player can only do so much.

Also, that trade is one of the worst in Boston's history. If you truly believe they thought he was a "loser" I don't know what more to say.

I appreciate everything you do on these boards and generally agree and respect your opinion, but on this topic I could disagree more. You have some sort of hatred for Joe (maybe based on his comments about the Rangers a couple years back) which I cannot comprehend.

Again, he is one of the greatest players of this generation, cup or not. If you can blindly look past that, then I don't know what more to say.

If Messi never wins a world cup is he a loser? How about Hank? What about McDonagh. Dan Marino...

A championship puts you in another stratosphere. Legendary for some. But to say one is not a great player and even more so, a loser, based on a team accomplishment is completely absurd.
 
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