Speculation: 2014 - 2015 New York Rangers :: Roster building / proposal thread Part II

[JESSEWENEEDTOCOOK]

People seriously overrate Brassard. He's a lot less integral to this team than many think.

 

[BarbaraAlphanse]

Del Zotto for Stamkos would have even trumped the Gomez for McD steal
In an alternative universe somewhere... NYR fans are smiling like tickled children

I would have wept tears of joy if that trade happened. I never bought into the Del Zotto kool-aid.

 

[Inferno]

People seriously overrate Brassard. He's a lot less integral to this team than many think.

i think hes integral in that...there isnt really much out there in free agency, nor in the cupboard, that you can afford to just lose him for nothing.

he will be overpaid though.

 

[SingnBluesOnBroadway]

People seriously overrate Brassard. He's a lot less integral to this team than many think.

He's a pretty important part when there's no obvious replacement.

 

[Trxjw]

People seriously overrate Brassard. He's a lot less integral to this team than many think.

The second best center in the entire organization. That's all there is to it.

 

[JESSEWENEEDTOCOOK]

The second best center in the entire organization. That's all there is to it.

Says more about our NHL center depth than Brassard's value.

 

[BarbaraAlphanse]

The second best center in the entire organization. That's all there is to it.

Yup. Relative to the league, I think he's an average center. Relative to this team he's certainly on the plus side.

 

[Trxjw]

Says more about our NHL center depth than Brassard's value.

Until that changes, my point stands. Basically all that says is "If we had a better option, he'd be less valuable." Well, we don't.

 

[JESSEWENEEDTOCOOK]

Until that changes, my point stands. Basically all that says is "If we had a better option, he'd be less valuable." Well, we don't.

That doesn't mean that giving Brassard a long term contract worth $4.8M per is a good, or advisable move.

 

[SA16]

That doesn't mean that giving Brassard a long term contract worth $4.8M per is a good, or advisable move.

I showed last week that 4.8M is at or below market value for centers who scored +/- 5 points of him last year excluding those on ELC's and such of course.

 

[Fletch]

That doesn't mean that giving Brassard a long term contract worth $4.8M per is a good, or advisable move.

they may not have a choice if there are similar centermen who would cost more, or require assets in a trade. Can't lose his production; the Rangers don't score enough as it is.

 

[Trxjw]

That doesn't mean that giving Brassard a long term contract worth $4.8M per is a good, or advisable move.

Giving him $4.8M per year is more advisable than going into this year with one NHL center under contract beyond the end of the season. Especially when that cap hit is pretty much market value for an average 2nd line center.

 

[Vitto79]

People seriously undervalue Brass. He's a lot more important to this team than people give him credit for.

well this yr he's huge with Richards gone. I sign Brassard but i'm scared at a long term deal at 5 million per

 

[silverfish]

Jim Cerny seems to believe Dom Moore is in the hunt for that 3C spot...

Do we think he meant Lombardi and Miller? Doesn't even mention JT...

 

[BarbaraAlphanse]

Jim Cerny seems to believe Dom Moore is in the hunt for that 3C spot...

Do we think he meant Lombardi and Miller? Doesn't even mention JT...

I am under the impression that JT may actually be used on the LW slot that Poo left opened.

Leaving the question... who will be centering Hagelin and MSL.

Lombardi, Moore, Lindberg - as Cerny stated.

 

[NYR Viper]

Giving him $4.8M per year is more advisable than going into this year with one NHL center under contract beyond the end of the season. Especially when that cap hit is pretty much market value for an average 2nd line center.

I'd give Brassard 4.4-4.8 on a longer term deal, like 4-5 years.

 

[AHB*]

People seriously overrate Brassard. He's a lot less integral to this team than many think.

No they don't. He's an integral part of this team, like it or not. And the going rate for 3rd line C's of his caliber these days is right around 4.5-5 million.

This isn't 2007-2008 anymore.

Contracts look inflated because that's what we were used to, but that's a fair deal for him and something that would be very ADVISABLE in my opinion.

Unfortunately, we're not going to sign him for 3 million. He's nearly a 50 point center who has rounded out his game quite well since coming here and gives 100% effort seemingly every night.

The big issue is wasting significant amounts of money on players like Glass, not overpaying Brassard by half a million for a guy who is actually an important part of our team.

 

[Zuccarello Awesome*]

People seriously overrate Brassard. He's a lot less integral to this team than many think.

I tend to agree (what's going on? You and I agreeing?!)

With that said, I have a feeling Brassard is going to have a big year as our center depth basically forces him to get a lot of minutes, and likely with two of Zuccarello/Nash/Kreider/MSL.

It might actually be smart to sign Brassard for 4 years at 4.5 rather than waiting until after this season (if he gets a 1 year arb award) when he could potentially command 5+ if he puts up 55+ points playing with the aforementioned wingers. Of course, the flip side is that we don't want to be stuck with him long-term in the event that Stamkos or another elite center becomes available when we're already paying Stepan north of 6 million (which will undoubtably be his market value if he continues to put up ~60 points or more).

It's definitely a tough decision to make, just as the Marc Staal decision will be.

All things considered, Id rather trade both Brassard and Staal this season and try to recoup some value (ideally in the form of a Ryan O'Reilly and young ELC defenseman). I'd much rather have Stepan and O'Reilly at 6+ each than Stepan at 6+ and Brassard at ~5 or *gasp* more.

Tough decisions ahead, boys. That's for sure.

ROR + Stepan would be a great 1A and 1B, but it will be very difficult to swing that while paying Kreider, Zuccarello, Hagelin what their worth in the next couple of seasons; not to mention re-signing Marty to one-year-at-a-time deals.

 

[silverfish]

I am under the impression that JT may actually be used on the LW slot that Poo left opened.

Leaving the question... who will be centering Hagelin and MSL.

Lombardi, Moore, Lindberg - as Cerny stated.

Where does Stepmniak fit here?

Kreider - Stepan - Nash
Hagelin - _____ - MSL
Miller - Brassard - Zuccarello

Doesn't add up

 

[Trxjw]

I am under the impression that JT may actually be used on the LW slot that Poo left opened.

Leaving the question... who will be centering Hagelin and MSL.

Lombardi, Moore, Lindberg - as Cerny stated.

He's going to have to outplay Stempniak first.

 

[AHB*]

He's going to have to outplay Stempniak first.

Are we all assuming that Stempniak will switch wings? I'm under the assumption that Nash will likely do so and Stemps will be on that 3rd line.

 

[Infinitum Vitae*]

Where does Stepmniak fit here?

Kreider - Stepan - Nash
Hagelin - _____ - MSL
Miller - Brassard - Zuccarello

Doesn't add up

Put lindberg in the blank above and than have a fourth line of Lombardi-Moore-Stemp

 

[offdacrossbar]

People seriously overrate Brassard. He's a lot less integral to this team than many think.

that's funny.

have you looked at our centerman ?

i would say hes pretty integral.

 

[NYR Viper]

Color me confused again that Brassard is a #3c. 48th in points among centers and a lot of the guys above him didn't even play center most of the time.

But hey, we should let him go over 300k a year and try to replace him through UFA.

 

[silverfish]

Put lindberg in the blank above and than have a fourth line of Lombardi-Moore-Stemp

Stempniak was not signed to be a fourth liner