Speculation: 2014 - 2015 New York Rangers :: Roster building / proposal thread Part II

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$8.8 million left to re-sign Kreider, Brassard, and Moore according to capgeek. That number could go up a little more if Rangers only carry 7 defenseman as they have both Hunwick and Kostka listed on the roster. Number could go up to $9.4 million roughly. They have Lombardi, Fast, and Mueller listed as well. Miller would affect that salary number slightly if he replaces one of Mueller, Lombardi, or Fast.

Rangers should be able to get the contracts done with the remaining 3 RFAs and have a little space left for any in season moves, especially at the trade deadline when salaries are prorated
 
EHM thinking would be trading our next 4 first rounders for Stamkos or someone because there wouldn't be any regens past the middle of the round ;).

I agree, though-- if Brass can come in and handle 2nd line competition then even if Miller is meh on the 3rd, it won't be crippling.
I always traded 4th rounders for retiring players at the deadline in EHM. They didn't value rentals at all.
 
$8.8 million left to re-sign Kreider, Brassard, and Moore according to capgeek. That number could go up a little more if Rangers only carry 7 defenseman as they have both Hunwick and Kostka listed on the roster. Number could go up to $9.4 million roughly. They have Lombardi, Fast, and Mueller listed as well. Miller would affect that salary number slightly if he replaces one of Mueller, Lombardi, or Fast.

Rangers should be able to get the contracts done with the remaining 3 RFAs and have a little space left for any in season moves, especially at the trade deadline when salaries are prorated
I think they should only carry one spare player total. When cap space is that tight, why do you need to carry 3 spares?
 
I think the Miller vs Richards issue is being focused on way too much. It's too much NHL14 or EHM thinking. In reality, Miller is looking to replace Brassard, who is getting a promotion. Instead of one question, it's really two. Can Brassard up his production with more ice time and maybe a better LW? Can Miller provide 25 or so even strength points from the third line?

Those are the questions. Not whether or not Miller can make up for the loss of Richards.

It's not that I don't disagree with what you're saying. I am looking at it differently.

With Vigneault's 4 line system, offensive production seems to be a "points by committee" mindset.

The Rangers lost Stralman, but added Dan Boyle. Hypothetically, worst case, that should net us an extra 20 points from 1 position change.

The Rangers lost Poo, but added Lee Stempniak, a guy with historical totals similar to that of Benoit. No net gain or loss.

The Rangers lost Brad Richards, but are adding JT Miller. For point of argument, if we set Miller's final season point total to 40, slightly under .5 ppg in an 82 game season, the Rangers would be losing roughly 10 points from Richards to Miller.

Exchanging Callahan for MSL nets us anywhere from 15-25 net points more than we would have expected keeping Callahan.

Losing Boyle but adding Lombardi or Lindberg should hypothetically mean at the very least producing 18 points, what Boyle gave us last year, if not striking lightning and getting even more point production from that position.

Glass and Dorsett should be an absolute wash.

A healthy Nash returning to anywhere near a PPG pace should yield 15-25 more points in and of itself.

Improvements to Kreider, Stepan, Zucc, and Brassard's games, in terms of maturing, playing with better linemates more consistently should get us 10-15 more points collectively. For example, what I mean is, if Kreider boosts his production to 40-45 points, Stepan to 60, Brassard to 50, and Zucc to 65... we'd have a net gain of about 15-20 points from last year from those very same players. It's not even improbable to assume that these players will achieve this, as Stepan has been increasing his offensive output with every year he has played, Zucc and Brassard both set to improve slightly with better chemistry together, and Kreider adding 3-8 more points with a full season of hockey rather than playing 67 games is also a reasonable total to add.

The Rangers are adding offensive output, hypothetically, everywhere besides the Miller for Richards swap.

Clearly, all of these will likely not happen, but there is far greater probability for gains than losses.

I think this is more about taking a step back and realizing this team is deviating from the conventional 4 line strategy and doing something similar to Boston's scoring by committee tactic.
 
In the West we'll probably need to carry 1F, 1D. Especially Colorado.
That's fine. That's about 15% of the schedule. Still would save them 85% of a single player's cap hit. Could mean another prorated couple million or so at the deadline.
 
I think the Miller vs Richards issue is being focused on way too much. It's too much NHL14 or EHM thinking. In reality, Miller is looking to replace Brassard, who is getting a promotion. Instead of one question, it's really two. Can Brassard up his production with more ice time and maybe a better LW? Can Miller provide 25 or so even strength points from the third line?

Those are the questions. Not whether or not Miller can make up for the loss of Richards.

I agree for sure, and I also think you are forgetting one additional issue.

You have a 5 on 5 Brad Richards.

And you have a 5 on 4 Brad Richards. Dan Boyle is replacing the 5 on 4 Brad Richards.

In the POs, Brad Richards only avg 12:19/G 5 on 5, and that includes the OT games. Derric Brassard, for example, played more 5 on 5 than BR in the POs. Dom Moore played a minuet less than BR. We are a 4 line team 5 on 5 and we are replacing one of those centers; Step with 14 min per game, Brass with 12:45, BR with 12:19 and Moore with 11:18.

BR made a few offensive plays 5 on 5, he especially made some nifty passes to Hagelin on a regular basis. But that's about what we are loosing. BR was too much behind the play 5 on 5, Miller is much more active. Much more of a force on the foreheck. JT can make some nifty plays on his own right, and he will for sure once he gets to settle down in a top 9 role with good players next to him.

We shouldn't underrate BR, but BR was mainly a PP player for us last season. Dan Boyle replaces him on the PP. I wouldn't at all be suprised if JT was an upgrade over BR 5 on 5 this coming season. I don't think that is a stretch.
 
I agree for sure, and I also think you are forgetting one additional issue.

You have a 5 on 5 Brad Richards.

And you have a 5 on 4 Brad Richards. Dan Boyle is replacing the 5 on 4 Brad Richards.

In the POs, Brad Richards only avg 12:19/G 5 on 5, and that includes the OT games. Derric Brassard, for example, played more 5 on 5 than BR in the POs. Dom Moore played a minuet less than BR. We are a 4 line team 5 on 5 and we are replacing one of those centers; Step with 14 min per game, Brass with 12:45, BR with 12:19 and Moore with 11:18.

BR made a few offensive plays 5 on 5, he especially made some nifty passes to Hagelin on a regular basis. But that's about what we are loosing. BR was too much behind the play 5 on 5, Miller is much more active. Much more of a force on the foreheck. JT can make some nifty plays on his own right, and he will for sure once he gets to settle down in a top 9 role with good players next to him.

We shouldn't underrate BR, but BR was mainly a PP player for us last season. Dan Boyle replaces him on the PP. I wouldn't at all be suprised if JT was an upgrade over BR 5 on 5 this coming season. I don't think that is a stretch.

Completely agree that BR being tough to replace is completely overrated, but I don't think JT is the answer at center either. We will see.
 
might be a bold strategy, but does anyone think the Rangers are banking on getting Zucc for 3.5 this season but then signing him long term after January 1st?
 
might be a bold strategy, but does anyone think the Rangers are banking on getting Zucc for 3.5 this season but then signing him long term after January 1st?

I have zero doubt that is the plan. And both parties (especially Zucc) seem to generally approach things in good faith.

But there are a lot of moving parts to that strategy. Far too risky for my liking, with little reward.
 
I think the Miller vs Richards issue is being focused on way too much. It's too much NHL14 or EHM thinking. In reality, Miller is looking to replace Brassard, who is getting a promotion. Instead of one question, it's really two. Can Brassard up his production with more ice time and maybe a better LW? Can Miller provide 25 or so even strength points from the third line?

Those are the questions. Not whether or not Miller can make up for the loss of Richards.

BINGO.

Spot-on.
 
might be a bold strategy, but does anyone think the Rangers are banking on getting Zucc for 3.5 this season but then signing him long term after January 1st?

See: my post on the 3rd page of the Zuccarello thread (when almost everyone was complaining about the 1-year deal):

"They can negotiate a long-term deal in January. I think this is actually a slick move by Sather. He gets him for a cheap cap-hit this season, and then will give him a longer term extension in January. It's a clever way of circumventing the cap by not having this year's cap-hit affect the long term average.

Sometimes you've got to read between the lines, fellas.

This is a smart move."


I have zero doubt that is the plan. And both parties (especially Zucc) seem to generally approach things in good faith.

But there are a lot of moving parts to that strategy. Far too risky for my liking, with little reward.

You didn't seem to think that was the plan on page 3 of the Zuccarello thread:

"Wow. So short sighted. He can be a UFA next summer correct? Yea, that's gonna be cheap.

Edit - I guess te front office still views him as a risky sign long term? Still, a 45 point guy at 4.5 x 4 is way better than the alternative...a 6.5M+ Zucc next summer if he tops 60 points this year."



I guess I convinced you. :sarcasm:
 
So after Zuke's 1 year deal and looking ahead to next season's UFA's we can be stuck with at worst Zuke, Stepan, Staal, Kreider, Brassard and MSL ?

Am I missing someone?

Oh boy...
 
So Miller is replacing Brassard even though Brassard didnt go anywhere and Brassard is stepping up to replace Richards even though Brassard was infinitely better than Richards last year. What?!? I thought we were stuck in a blender...now we're saving lives. What?!?
 
So after Zuke's 1 year deal and looking ahead to next season's UFA's we can be stuck with at worst Zuke, Stepan, Staal, Kreider, Brassard and MSL ?

Am I missing someone?

Oh boy...

MZA and MSL can very likely be UFAs, Stepan I don' think can. Kreider can't/will get more than 1 yr anyway... Brassard might,but who knows what he'll get? Staal is he main UFA concern next year, and I doubt he'll finish the season here. Talbot is less of a concern. Hagelin is in the same boat as Stepan, I think, just like 1-2 years older.
 
Dont think its possible with Brassard, Kreider and Moore still unsigned. And thats too bad because he came here and played pretty good and did behave.

Depends on The RFA price
If things work out favourably there then both Carcillo (700 k) and Hayes or Penner (925 k) could in Theory be signed
We will know soon enough how this pans out
Would be nice adding size and grit to deepen The roster with proven NHL players
If The kids prove they are ready then the journeymen can be flippad for assets midseason
Win / Win
 
So Miller is replacing Brassard even though Brassard didnt go anywhere and Brassard is stepping up to replace Richards even though Brassard was infinitely better than Richards last year. What?!? I thought we were stuck in a blender...now we're saving lives. What?!?

Stepan is RFA next season. As is Hagelin.

So the team might in worst case end up with these free agents:

UFA:
MSL
Zucc
Brassard
Staal
Talbot

RFA:
Stepan
Hagelin
J. Moore

There is some work ahead for Sather :)
 
Stepan is RFA next season. As is Hagelin.

So the team might in worst case end up with these free agents:

UFA:
MSL
Zucc
Brassard
Staal
Talbot

RFA:
Stepan
Hagelin
J. Moore

There is some work ahead for Sather :)

John Moore will sign a 2 year bridge deal, as will Kreider, so neither will be a free agent 2015 ( I know you did not mention Kreider but some people have done so)
The Canadian TV money should provide $$$ to accommodate most if not all of these resignings sans if we win the Cup
Klein will likely also be replaced from within providing around $2 M more in cap space
The big ??? IMO is Brassard
 
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