Speculation: 2014 - 2015 New York Rangers :: Roster building / proposal thread Part II
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Change is good.
Anyone who's watched Miller at the pro level and, especially, in the AHL can see that this is spot on. It's been true since I first started watching him. He has a ton of talent and can easily become a two-way, physical, scoring center. But he needs to get his head out of his ass. His talent and his "swagger" has carried him for so long against inferior competition that he has learned some bad habits. It works as high as the AHL, but it is what has led to benchings and demotions in the NHL.
By no means do I want him to lose his offensive cockiness - honestly, I wish he could give a little to Kreider - but he has to temper it and learn to process the larger picture a little more. He doesn't make egregious Kristo-esque turnovers, but he gets himself caught and misses the right play because he's trying to make the aggressive one way, way too often. Just a little growing up and we've got ourselves a really good player. The only question is whether or not he'll ever will. For our sake, I hope so.
Raspewtin
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Bottom 6 skillset doesn't mean bad.
I also usually come away impressed with Eakin, he has magnificent speed and hustle, a player anyone would love to have.
Because Miller has more potential, and Eakin's just not that talented in my opinion? I don't know what you want me to tell you. Miller's got a better frame that he can use more to his advantage, more high end talent in his shooting and passing than Eakin has, just a better overall offensive skillset.
And Miller didn't prove he can't do anything at the NHL level, to be honest.
I like what Tawnos said. This is the offseason for Miller. He's had two full years learning the pro game, he really took the step forward you want to see at the lower level, etc.
LaffyTaffyNYR
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whether or not I think Miller is going to be ready to be the 3C this year, I'm excited to see it.
Anyone know if Brad Marchand has ever played center? His game seems suited for it, and I think he'd adjust to it quite nicely with the right linemates.
Boston needs to move a contract like his to alleviate some cap pressure. It's doubtful they'd want to deal him to us (at least we're not in the same division). Perhaps something like...
Brad Marchand for J.T. Miller, Jesper Fast, and Kevin Klein
Kreider Stepan St. Louis
Nash Brassard Zuccarello
Hagelin Marchand Stempniak
Glass Moore Lombardi/Lindberg
McDonagh Girardi
Staal Boyle
Moore McIlrath/Allen
Lundqvist
Talbot
Boston needs to move a contract like his to alleviate some cap pressure. It's doubtful they'd want to deal him to us (at least we're not in the same division). Perhaps something like...
Brad Marchand for J.T. Miller, Jesper Fast, and Kevin Klein
Kreider Stepan St. Louis
Nash Brassard Zuccarello
Hagelin Marchand Stempniak
Glass Moore Lombardi/Lindberg
McDonagh Girardi
Staal Boyle
Moore McIlrath/Allen
Lundqvist
Talbot
eco's bones
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I like Brad Marchand a whole lot. That being said he's not a guy I give a good steady d-man + 2 young up and coming top 9 forwards for. Five years down the line and either Miller and/or Fast on their own might be equal or better than Marchand. I especially think that of Miller. The trade you're suggesting is really only likely to have an immediate benefit. Past another year or so I don't think it will be to our benefit any longer. Marchand is not an old guy but the Rangers need to hang on to some of their young guys at least until we see how we see the next wave of younger players turn out.
so you'd offer a package like that for Marchand which is bad enough but to want to acquire him and switch him to a position you have no idea if he's ever played in his life is headscratching.
Read the post.
I asked if anyone knows if he played center in juniors or anywhere during his career.
The rest of the post hinges on that possibility.
Hire Sather
He Is Our Star
LaffyTaffyNYR
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I'll tell you one thing. A lot of guys never learn how to be "good" professionals. Our locker room of successful and decorated vets provides him irreplaceable resources for him to develop into a better professional.
He needs to want it, but he'll have excellent help along the way. Great team mates that have experienced nearly everything on their way to being successful NHL'ers. Great coaching staff. It's certainly in JT's hands now.
pld459666
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Sure it is.
Callahan, 2 1sts.
For
MSL
Well MSL>>>>>>Cally
So Nash 2 1sts for Malkin?
Profit?
Question:
When a team retains money, is that team retaining only cap space or cap space AND actual dollars?
When a team retains money, is that team retaining only cap space or cap space AND actual dollars?
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Tawnos
A guy with a bass
It's percentage. A salary of $4m on a contract with a cap hit of $6m is retained at 50%. The retaining team pays $2m in salary and takes a $3m cap hit.
Judging on how Sather usually operates, he will make a 3 for 1 trade... we will be recouping some assets in place of 1.
We traded assets for Nash, following big trade was Gaborik to CBJ.
We cash strapped the team with Drury, Gomez, and Redden. Following Sather move was to trade Gomez for 3 parts.
Looking at the guys who can provide this:
Staal, Nash, Girardi.
Eventually, Sather will make a 3 for 1 move, adding depth to the Rangers rather than trading it away for stardom. It's how he operates after strapping the team financially or depleting the farm.
Thank you. I guess that's something that could turn into an issue if you were to do a trade with a small market team.
trading 1 for 3 happens if the season is a disaster. Barring, that, don't expect it.
Miller isn't a finished product. Kreider isn't a finished product. The Rangers learned to live with Kreider's mistakes. They need to live with Miller's mistakes. The veteran players make mistakes and their ice time isn't reduced. He is a center. He is cheap. Even if he has a good year, he will still be cheap in his next contract without arbitration rights. Look at the Rangers up for contracts next July. Staal will be the best group 3 D on the market. St. Louis. Stepan and Hagelin are arbitration eligible. Hagelin will be one year away from group 3. cap is going up but how much? More TV money. 4 fewer outdoor games. Canadian dollar.
Perhaps. I don't think Sather will let Staal walk away for nothing if contract negotiations stall.
NYR Viper
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Brad Richards was gifted offensive zone starts all year. Defensively he was lacking. He was a good PP player. I am confused as to why Miller has to be some defensive whiz.
Time to start developing some of these younger guys. Fast. Lindberg. Miller. Kristo. Decide who is in the plans of the team/organization and let them grow.
Time to start developing some of these younger guys. Fast. Lindberg. Miller. Kristo. Decide who is in the plans of the team/organization and let them grow.
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