Speculation: 2014 - 2015 New York Rangers :: Roster building / proposal thread Part II

[Mac n Gs]

Little is a 60 point center who posts postive corsi relative against a high quality of competition. He'd be an excellet 1A/1B option at center with Step. He provides more of the offensive flair, while Step excels in the two-way game. His contract is an absolute steal, so his value probably gets driven through the roof because of it. I'd definitely see what Winnipeg wants in return.

I don't know what "big" pieces would be required for him though.

 

[JESSEWENEEDTOCOOK]

Stepan/Little could be comparable to Krejci/Bergeron in a year or two

 

[Raspewtin]

Hope that's a joke.
You'd move big pieces for Bryan Little?

Yeah, because he's really good.

 

[SupersonicMonkey*]

Little is a 60 point center who posts postive corsi relative against a high quality of competition. He'd be an excellet 1A/1B option at center with Step. He provides more of the offensive flair, while Step excels in the two-way game. His contract is an absolute steal, so his value probably gets driven through the roof because of it. I'd definitely see what Winnipeg wants in return.

I don't know what "big" pieces would be required for him though.

Is Little even available?

He would be a fantastic addition, but it would cost a ton of assets we really can't afford to trade right now.

 

[Mikos87]

Cheveldayoff doesn't make player-for-player trades anyway.

Yeah the guys one of the weirdest GMs out there. Doesn't do that, and back Pavelec as a no 1 goalie in this league even though the last 4 years suggest otherwise.

If he had a combined total of 9 wins in the last two seasons, the Jets are playoff teams.

Seems like the sort of GM thats really afraid to make a move.

He could easily cash in on a disgruntled Kane and trade Byfuglien for assets that can put them into playoffs yet he does nothing.

I would absolutely welcome a Bryan Little trade.

Brassard, JMoore for Little any day of the week. I'll throw in a prospect like Hrivik or Kristo too.

 

[Zuccarello Awesome*]

This Little talk is insane.

He's a 5'11" inconsistent center. Don't tell me he's a "60-point center" like he's been doing it with ease for years. He's broken 60-points exactly ONCE. He's had far more years that suggest he's a 40 point player (while playing the same minutes in the same role) than a 60 point player. He had a good year last season. So did a lot of players who aren't likely to repeat their production levels. Get over it. He would be our third-line center, behind Stepan (a great 2C who's glorified as a 1C) and Brassard (a very solid 2/3 tweener).

 

[silverfish]

If we package Hagelin + Miller for a C, who can step in to fill the void at LW? Or, are we so sure that Nash/MZA are moving that it won't be such a hard hole to fill since it'll be third line instead of 2nd? Could we snag Eakin from Dallas with that package? Can't imagine why not.

Nash - Stepan - MSL
Kreider - Brassard - MZA
_______ - Eakin - Stempniak
Glass - Moore - Lombardi

Fix one hole, create another....

 

[BroadwayHustle]

If we package Hagelin + Miller for a C, who can step in to fill the void at LW? Or, are we so sure that Nash/MZA are moving that it won't be such a hard hole to fill since it'll be third line instead of 2nd? Could we snag Eakin from Dallas with that package? Can't imagine why not.

Nash - Stepan - MSL
Kreider - Brassard - MZA
_______ - Eakin - Stempniak
Glass - Moore - Lombardi

Fix one hole, create another....

I think they really like Eakin. I don't know too much about him but isn't he like Hagelin at Center?

 

[silverfish]

I think they really like Eakin. I don't know too much about him but isn't he like Hagelin at Center?

I think he has way more offensive potential. I'm sure they like Eakin, but they did just bring in Spezza. They also have Seguin (forgot about Peverly's injury and unfortunately unknown status). Eakin could be expendable for an upgrade on the wing and a prospect? I think they're weaker on the right than on the left, so Hagelin might be redundant in Dallas.

I'm pretty high on Eakin.

It's the dog days of summer here, bear with me

At least we'll have some arbitration to discuss in the coming week! Hopefully good news all around.

 

[Mikos87]

This Little talk is insane.

He's a 5'11" inconsistent center. Don't tell me he's a "60-point center" like he's been doing it with ease for years. He's broken 60-points exactly ONCE. He's had far more years that suggest he's a 40 point player (while playing the same minutes in the same role) than a 60 point player. He had a good year last season. So did a lot of players who aren't likely to repeat their production levels. Get over it. He would be our third-line center, behind Stepan (a great 2C who's glorified as a 1C) and Brassard (a very solid 2/3 tweener).

You know he goes up against top competition. Little is a very good hockey player in all situations and is a legitimate top 6 center without consistency issues. He is very much a step up from Brassard.

Brassard never scored 20 goals in his career. Little's scored 30 one season, and in WPG is their top line center. He would easily be the no 2 center on the Rangers, and I'll take his consistency over Brassard's inconsistency and $5.5M contract demands.

 

[Mikos87]

I think he has way more offensive potential. I'm sure they like Eakin, but they did just bring in Spezza. They also have Seguin and Peverly. Eakin could be expendable for an upgrade on the wing and a prospect? I think they're weaker on the right than on the left, so Hagelin might be redundant in Dallas.

I'm pretty high on Eakin.

It's the dog days of summer here, bear with me

At least we'll have some arbitration to discuss in the coming week! Hopefully good news all around.

Peverly might not ever play again, it's a tough situation for the Stars or any team to take the risk of icing a guy with a known heart condition. We all know how bad that can be after Chere, and people forget Sergei Zholtok went through similar conditions in Europe.

Would any NHL team take that sort of risk after seeing what happened already?

Eakin is a good young center, the fact that a young player can step in play center in this league with a level of competence bodes well for his hockey IQ. Don't think the Stars trade him.

Not work Hagelin though, if Lombo holds up, the Rangers have a player that can play the role Eakin could if Miller can't cut it.

 

[silverfish]

Peverly might not ever play again, it's a tough situation for the Stars or any team to take the risk of icing a guy with a known heart condition. We all know how bad that can be after Chere, and people forget Sergei Zholtok went through similar conditions in Europe.

Would any NHL team take that sort of risk after seeing what happened already?

Eakin is a good young center, the fact that a young player can step in play center in this league with a level of competence bodes well for his hockey IQ. Don't think the Stars trade him.

Not work Hagelin though, if Lombo holds up, the Rangers have a player that can play the role Eakin could if Miller can't cut it.

Can't believe I forgot about that. Going to edit my post now

 

[Savant]

Yeah, because he's really good.

Winnipeg has worse center depth than the Rangers. They aren't trading him.

 

[Savant]

If we package Hagelin + Miller for a C, who can step in to fill the void at LW? Or, are we so sure that Nash/MZA are moving that it won't be such a hard hole to fill since it'll be third line instead of 2nd? Could we snag Eakin from Dallas with that package? Can't imagine why not.

Nash - Stepan - MSL
Kreider - Brassard - MZA
_______ - Eakin - Stempniak
Glass - Moore - Lombardi

Fix one hole, create another....

Hagelin and Miller could get better than Eakin.

I thought Dallas might be a Staal destination. With one of their defensemen (Daley/Dillon/etc) and Eakin maybe get Roussel in there, but then I thought better

 

[BarbaraAlphanse]

1) I think that if Miller comes in and plays well, Brassard will not be a member of the NY Rangers next season (Season after this upcoming one). I'm assuming that Brassard will have to play on a 1 year QO as his demands seems ridiculously inflated. This gives the Rangers enough time to appraise Miller's worth, or even Lindberg's for that matter if he comes in and outplays Miller, and assess if Brassard's salary is better used else where.

2) I think the same of Klein. With McIlrath and Allen nearly ready I can't see them keeping him after this season.

3) I think that the NY Rangers will try very hard to make Steven Stamkos a member of their team. At some point, moving Nash and getting Stamkos will become a priority. Unless he re-ups, I expect this to be a big story line next summer and the deadline following.

4) I love what the Rangers did this offseason. Stempniak is roughly a .5 ppg player that can slot into our 3rd or 4th line like Poo did for us this year. Underrated signing. Lombardi, if healthy, provides the same thing. Glass makes us tougher, physically. Boyle improves our woeful powerplay. He'll give us at least an additional 20 points from the blue line.

Excited to see us these next few years. I think we're going to be a perennial SC contender for the remainder of Hank's years with us.

 

[TheDirtyH]

Hagelin and Miller could get better than Eakin.

I thought Dallas might be a Staal destination. With one of their defensemen (Daley/Dillon/etc) and Eakin maybe get Roussel in there, but then I thought better

I'm so high on Dillon, I'd almost trade him straight up for Staal. Getting extra would be fantastic.

 

[Lindberg Cheese]

1) I think that if Miller comes in and plays well, Brassard will not be a member of the NY Rangers next season (Season after this upcoming one). I'm assuming that Brassard will have to play on a 1 year QO as his demands seems ridiculously inflated. This gives the Rangers enough time to appraise Miller's worth, or even Lindberg's for that matter if he comes in and outplays Miller, and assess if Brassard's salary is better used else where.

2) I think the same of Klein. With McIlrath and Allen nearly ready I can't see them keeping him after this season.

3) I think that the NY Rangers will try very hard to make Steven Stamkos a member of their team. At some point, moving Nash and getting Stamkos will become a priority. Unless he re-ups, I expect this to be a big story line next summer and the deadline following.

4) I love what the Rangers did this offseason. Stempniak is roughly a .5 ppg player that can slot into our 3rd or 4th line like Poo did for us this year. Underrated signing. Lombardi, if healthy, provides the same thing. Glass makes us tougher, physically. Boyle improves our woeful powerplay. He'll give us at least an additional 20 points from the blue line.

Excited to see us these next few years. I think we're going to be a perennial SC contender for the remainder of Hank's years with us.

Agree on all fronts.

 

[Raspewtin]

Dallas very likely won't trade Eakin. He's a key cog to their bottom 6. Really fast, really slick, does everything asked of him. Just don't see a reason for Dallas to move him.

And I wouldn't trade Miller for him.

 

[silverfish]

Dallas very likely won't trade Eakin. He's a key cog to their bottom 6. Really fast, really slick, does everything asked of him. Just don't see a reason for Dallas to move him.

And I wouldn't trade Miller for him.

Explain this please.

 

[LundqvistsEvilTwin]

-Stepan-
-Little-
-Eakin-
>>
-Stepan-
-Brassard-
-Miller/Moore-

is peverley confirmed retiring?

 

[BarbaraAlphanse]

Explain this please.

I'm assuming it probably has something to do with Miller posting up a PPG in the AHL at the age of 21.

Which you would think means nothing on this board judging by how little Miller is regarded amongst this fan base.

In contrast, Cody Eakin never produced close to this level in the AHL.

Miller's ceiling is much higher than Eakin's and he's much more likely to surpass 35 points in 85 games in his rookie campaign.

I'm sure there is also something to say about trying to avoid trading players when their value isn't its highest.

 

[BarbaraAlphanse]

-Stepan-
-Little-
-Eakin-
>>
-Stepan-
-Brassard-
-Miller/Moore-

is peverley confirmed retiring?

Stepan @ 60 pts
Little @ 60 pts
Eakin @ 40 pts

vs

Stepan @ 60 pts
Brassard @ 50 pts
Miller @ 50 pts (eventually)

Seems about even to me and requires no assets to be given up.

 

[silverfish]

I'm assuming it probably has something to do with Miller posting up a PPG in the AHL at the age of 21.

Which you would think means nothing on this board judging by how little Miller is regarded amongst this fan base.

In contrast, Cody Eakin never produced close to this level in the AHL.

Miller's ceiling is much higher than Eakin's and he's much more likely to surpass 35 points in 85 games in his rookie campaign.

I'm sure there is also something to say about trying to avoid trading players when their value isn't its highest.

Maybe that has something to do with the fact that while Miller was posting a point-per-game in the AHL at age 21, Eakin was posting 0.5 a point-per-game at the NHL level as a 21/22 year old?

Hell, Eakin was over a point-per-game player in the WHL. Miller was literally *one* point over a point-per-game in the OHL. See how ridiculous that argument is?

Eakin has been a full-time NHLer for two seasons now. In his first 30 games as a 20 year old for Washington, he had 8 points in 30 games. Miller has 10 in 56 over the course of two seasons AND HE STILL HASN'T STUCK FULL-TIME.

Miller is much more likely to surpass 35 points in his rookie campaign? If you have the right to say Miller will record 35 points, I have the right to say he won't sniff that number this season, which is what Eakin recorded last year. Not to mention 5 points in 6 playoff games. Miller already played 56 NHL games. 10 points. How can you say he'll hit 35?

Do you like advanced stats? I can keep going...

Despite a -3.2% relative zone start, Eakin had a corsi and fenwick both over 50%. Not to mention he recorded 1.5 points per 60. That number erupted to 2.7 in the playoffs (only 6 games, 2 goals, 3 assists).

JT Miller? +5.4% relative zone start, corsi and fenwick over 50% but negative relative to the team over 2% in both of those categories (-2.4% and -2.1% respectively). 1.05 points per 60. Rose to 3.4 in 4 playoff games. All assists. Miller's zone starts in the playoffs? 46.4% OFFENSIVE ZONE. +16.1% relative to the team. Miller's most common linemates? Brassard and Pouliot. In the playoffs? Richards, Hagelin, and St. Louis. McDonagh and Stralman. In the playoffs? Klein and McDonagh. Have to think that didn't hurt the kid's stats....

Eakin has already proved infinitely more at the NHL level than Miller has, because he's been here and stuck here. Miller has not.

Eakin >>>>> Miller.

Please provide counter-facts and not opinions if you wish to continue this conversation.

 

[LaffyTaffyNYR]

Elliotte Friedman********✔*@FriedgeHNIC

Kreider (NYR) requests $2.8M. Rangers have offered a two-year deal at $1.9, then $2.2

 

[silverfish]

Elliotte Friedman********✔*@FriedgeHNIC

Kreider (NYR) requests $2.8M. Rangers have offered a two-year deal at $1.9, then $2.2

That's a very high demand from CK. This one might go the full-way to arbitration. Wow. Also a bit of a low-ball offer from NYR. I saw Kreider coming in at 2 years, $2.25. Rangers offered 2 years at $2.1 (cumulative)

Was Kreider's request for a one-year or two-year deal?