2003 redraft: #21

[toothlessgoon]

Pick the player who should go #20 in a 2003 redraft

Previous poll results (player's original draft position in parenthesis)

1. Patrice Bergeron: 74.1% (#45)
2. Ryan Getzlaf: 45.3% (#19)
3. Shea Weber: 65.1% (#49)
4. Eric Staal: 26.5% (#2)
5. Ryan Suter: 27.7% (#7)
6. Joe Pavelski: 33.3% (#205)
7. Corey Perry: 35.1% (#28)
8. Brent Burns: 48.3% (#20)
9. Marc-Andre Fleury: 54.7% (#1)
10. Zach Parise: 29.2% (#17)
11. Dustin Byfuglien: 31.5% (#245)
12. Jeff Carter: 43.9% (#11)
13. Ryan Kesler: 38.3% (#23)
14. Brent Seabrook: 45.8% (#14)
15. Thomas Vanek: 71.8% (tie-breaker) (#5)
16. Dustin Brown: 38.6% (#13)
17. Corey Crawford: 32.0% (#52)
18. Mike Richards: 40.0% (#24)
19. Dion Phaneuf: 57.8% (tie-breaker) (#9)
20. David Backes: 55.2% (#62)

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[jetsforever]

Howard

 

[Sergei Shirokov]

King Loui

 

[TopShelfWaterBottle]

What a ridiculous draft

 

[Jorma Heart]

Loui, then Enström

 

[Mitch nylander]

What a ridiculous draft

As ridiculous as it is I think 2015 is better...

Kaprizov - Mcdavid - Marner
Connor - Eichel - Rantanen
Aho - Barzal - Meier
Mangiapane - Hintz - Terry
Beauvillier - Cirelli - Boeser
Garland - Eriksson Ek - Konecny
Crouse - Roslovic - Gurianov
Debrusk/Greenway/Strome/Zacha/Gurianov/Joseph etc

Chabot - Werenski
Hanifin - Andersson
Provorov - Cernak
Dunn - Carlo
Gavrikov - Marino
Kylington/Dermott/Bear/Roy/Siegenthaler etc

Samsonov
Blackwood
Vejmelka
Hill
Vladar
Kallgren/Montembeault/Sandstrom/D'accord/Fedotov

 

[Cubs2024wildcard]

Wait, a three time Cup winning first pairing defenseman is ranked 14th….

Never change, HFB

 

[Regal]

Wait, a three time Cup winning first pairing defenseman is ranked 14th….

Never change, HFB

The cups don’t come with him when drafting him. He was the 2nd and sometimes third best defenseman on those teams, not as good as those above him at his best, and became an albatross later in his career when he started sucking early. 14th was too high

 

[Soundgarden]

Went with Eriksson, but Coburn is about due.

 

[Cubs2024wildcard]

The cups don’t come with him when drafting him. He was the 2nd and sometimes third best defenseman on those teams, not as good as those above him at his best, and became an albatross later in his career when he started sucking early. 14th was too high

Two can play this game.

Seabrook was a winner. Was the second best defenseman on a team with an elite talent as the first and would have been a number one guy on plenty of teams in his prime.

The guy was a leader, put his body on the line to win, and was a game breaker when it counted.

Who had more playoff success then Seabrook ahead of him? Fleury. Who else?

Nobody

Sorry, in a redraft I’m taking a guy who is a winner and has that winning mindset over somebody who accumulated a bunch of points. Bergeron is rightly first, but lol at any defenseman ranked higher then Seabrook.

And no offense, looking at a draft 20 years later without comprehending Cups/playoff performance is silly.

Ask 12 of these guys ahead of him if they would switch out the one Cup some of them won or in Carters case 2 for 3.

 

[heretik27]

Two can play this game.

Seabrook was a winner. Was the second best defenseman on a team with an elite talent as the first and would have been a number one guy on plenty of teams in his prime.

The guy was a leader, put his body on the line to win, and was a game breaker when it counted.

Who had more playoff success then Seabrook ahead of him? Fleury. Who else?

Nobody

Sorry, in a redraft I’m taking a guy who is a winner and has that winning mindset over somebody who accumulated a bunch of points. Bergeron is rightly first, but lol at any defenseman ranked higher then Seabrook.

And no offense, looking at a draft 20 years later without comprehending Cups/playoff performance is silly.

Ask 12 of these guys ahead of him if they would switch out the one Cup some of them won or in Carters case 2 for 3.

Seabrook was never a #1 defenseman. He's in no way shape or form better than Suter, Weber, or Burns, and Byfuglien was an absolute monster on skates who could impact the game with more than just his physicality. Cups are a team accomplishment, that's why Fleury has 3 despite spending the majority of his career as a fringe top ten goalie finishing in the top five of Vezina voting only three times in his 18 year career.

 

[Cubs2024wildcard]

Seabrook was never a #1 defenseman. He's in no way shape or form better than Suter, Weber, or Burns, and Byfuglien was an absolute monster on skates who could impact the game with more than just his physicality. Cups are a team accomplishment, that's why Fleury has 3 despite spending the majority of his career as a fringe top ten goalie finishing in the top five of Vezina voting only three times in his 18 year career.

And in no way, shape or forum do any of those defenseman not switch three cups for the careers they had.

Wait…Cups are a team accomplishment? That’s lol worthy.

So discredit Seabrook for being a winner to try and justify this straw man HFB logic that Cups don’t matter?

Sorry, they do. A lot. Everywhere but on this forum where pundits seem to inflate players point totals instead of winning.

You really don’t think Seabrook was a huge reason why those Hawks teams have the only cap era dynasty? Or in 15/16 when Keith had a few injuries Seabrook wasnt the number one defenseman on that team that year and had his best offensive season?

Too much fun

 

[Rengorlex]

And in no way, shape or forum do any of those defenseman not switch three cups for the careers they had.

Wait…Cups are a team accomplishment? That’s lol worthy.

So discredit Seabrook for being a winner to try and justify this straw man HFB logic that Cups don’t matter?

Sorry, they do. A lot. Everywhere but on this forum where pundits seem to inflate players point totals instead of winning.

You really don’t think Seabrook was a huge reason why those Hawks teams have the only cap era dynasty? Or in 15/16 when Keith had a few injuries Seabrook wasnt the number one defenseman on that team that year and had his best offensive season?

Too much fun

Can we infer that the Blackhawks won the Cups because of Seabrook?

Then, can we also deduce that Kane and Toews don't win Cups without Seabrook, making Cups illogical to attribute to them?

Or, if they do, aren't Stanley Cups an abhorrent way of judging Seabrook's contributions, if Blackhawks would've won without him?

Assigning credit on individual players for team achievements quickly becomes an illogical mess.

 

[Cubs2024wildcard]

Can we infer that the Blackhawks won the Cups because of Seabrook?

Then, can we also deduce that Kane and Toews don't win Cups without Seabrook, making Cups illogical to attribute to them?

Or, if they do, aren't Stanley Cups an abhorrent way of judging Seabrook's contributions, if Blackhawks would've won without him?

Assigning credit on individual players for team achievements quickly becomes an illogical mess.

So we’re playing fantasy now?

Do we know if the Hawks would have won three cups without him?

This forum really likes to take away Stanley Cups as an accomplishment.

Team award? Hockeys a team game.

Winners win. Seabrook was a winner who came up big in the playoffs and slapped around a few of the guys erroneously in front of him on this questionable list.

Seriously, regular season points are greater then playoff performances. Lololol

Wasn’t it Lindros who won the Hart one year and cried promising a Cup to Flyers fans? He wasn’t crying because he won the Hart.

I’ve just come to the conclusion a lot of people who post here never played sports when “team accomplishment” is muttered.

 

[ff8]

Can we infer that the Blackhawks won the Cups because of Seabrook?

Then, can we also deduce that Kane and Toews don't win Cups without Seabrook, making Cups illogical to attribute to them?

Or, if they do, aren't Stanley Cups an abhorrent way of judging Seabrook's contributions, if Blackhawks would've won without him?

Assigning credit on individual players for team achievements quickly becomes an illogical mess.

To be fair those Chicago teams were stacked. I mean look at the line up they had to work with

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Seabrook - Seabrook - Seabrook
Seabrook - Seabrook - Seabrook

Seabrook - Seabrook
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Seabrook - Seabrook

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