All it confirms is that Red Wings scouts saw something other scouts didnt or havent yet.
Wonder why Cholowski didn't get called to the Summer Showcase event for Canada. Maybe just school stuff? Hard to ignore who's on the top pairing there, though... even ahead of guys a few years older.
All it confirms is that Red Wings scouts saw something other scouts didnt or havent yet.
Dante Fabbro, the guy we should have drafted.
Are you a professional scout by any chance?
Lame argument.
Professional scouts for Arizona, Nashville, and Winnipeg all valued other defenders over the Wing's pick. Or that doesn't count?
Trusting Nashville's defensive scouting isn't a terrible idea.
Lame argument.
Professional scouts for Arizona, Nashville, and Winnipeg all valued other defenders over the Wing's pick. Or that doesn't count?
Trusting Nashville's defensive scouting isn't a terrible idea.
Are you a professional scout by any chance?
He's complaining about a draft pick two months after he was taken. Nashville has plenty of misses on defenseman, too. Or did you already forget about Ryan Parent and Jonathan Blum? They aren't gods.
Love the appeal to authority, as if the Wings scouts are suddenly, somehow infallible. Are you a coach? Better not ever say a word about the team's usage or lines. Are you a GM? You clearly don't know anything about drafting or free agency, so keep your mouth shut. If you tried, I'm sure you could come up with a useful argument that doesn't solely center around waving someone else's credentials around.
So our scouts are perfect, and no one can possibly disagree with them, but Nashville's "aren't gods"? Will you please figure out which authorities I'm not allowed to disagree with and which ones I shouldn't take seriously? I'd like a list.
The kid is a project.
Right now he's not on the level of those kids selected to Team Canada on the back end. The hope is as he fills out, possibly grows more, and rounds out his game that he passes them.
We will see. Not even sure he will have a huge role as a freshman either. Hope people aren't expecting another Larkin-like development, this kid is going to need some time. He looks like he's 15.
I understand that it is a weak argument... but it's not a very strong argument that we SHOULD have taken Fabbro that is being used either.
The main point is "Nashville took him, so he must be a good defenseman and we will regret missing him."
And it's less that the Wings scouts are infallible and nobody should disagree with them and more that they're not blubbering nincompoops who make picks by throwing crap at the wall of names.
Sure, but the original post that got the "I didn't know you were a professional scout treatment" was a simple statement that the poster thought we should've taken Fabbro. I also don't think I've seen anyone say that because Nashville took him, it was the right pick, just that by correlation (they do much better with drafted D than we apparently do), it gives some folks pause.
It's still a weak argument. Is Fabbro someone fans latched onto by throwing crap at a wall? Or was he a defenseman than many folks on this very board wanted at our original pick? What about Chychrun? "Well, the Detroit guys didn't want him and they're smarter than you" is an even weaker argument, given our nearly complete and utter inability to identify good D prospects over the last 10-20 years.
Yeah. That's why I'm not making that argument. Hell, it's hardly an argument at all.
The Wings staff like Cholowski. People here liked Fabbro or Chychrun. Doesn't make either side right or wrong. They're all mystery boxes of a sort because you can't know what they'll do at the NHL level.
Hell, I was pissed when they could have taken Chychrun and didn't. I'm not saying "They didn't take him so they're smart" I'm more of a mind that they must have seen something that they liked more in Cholowski + what they could do with the money from Datsyuk than either Chychrun and Fabbro. Not a slam on Fabbro or Chychrun, not saying it's the right or wrong move, just that there is a thought process behind what they do.
Whether it succeeds or fails, they're not just blindly doing this.
I think for me the Cholowski pick was representative of more of "This is a kid we think cam become exactly what we need in X years and we think we can get him at pick Y.". I would say that there are other guys around that same pick that have been mentioned that are more mature and ready to contribute at this point but my retort to that was that both Kindl and Smith were physically ideal but lacked the fundamental personality and disposition to excel at the position. At least the most encouraging thing I've read thus far on Cholowski is that he "slows the game down". He seems to have a mind for the position to remain poised and allow the game to come to him and I would say that's the quality, despite Smith and Kindls talent and gifts that eluded them and proved to be their eventual downfall.
Dante Fabbro, the guy we should have drafted.
yeah he was average at best, did nothing of value in all the games I watched for Canada. Zero pts on the powerplay as the quarterback. Cholowski will be a better pro, stop worrying. I would rather have a kid that is not filthy rich but one that could end up at 6'3" like his brother.
That being said, if presented the opportunity to have landed Julovui they would've jumped at the chance but given the available candidates that Cholowski seemed to possess the mental quality we've lacked for years now.
Meh, I like Chychrun more than Juolevi actually. If I was moving up it would have been for Sergachev.
Meh, I like Chychrun more than Juolevi actually. If I was moving up it would have been for Sergachev.
Yeah. That's why I'm not making that argument. Hell, it's hardly an argument at all.
The Wings staff like Cholowski. People here liked Fabbro or Chychrun. Doesn't make either side right or wrong. They're all mystery boxes of a sort because you can't know what they'll do at the NHL level.
Hell, I was pissed when they could have taken Chychrun and didn't. I'm not saying "They didn't take him so they're smart" I'm more of a mind that they must have seen something that they liked more in Cholowski + what they could do with the money from Datsyuk than either Chychrun and Fabbro. Not a slam on Fabbro or Chychrun, not saying it's the right or wrong move, just that there is a thought process behind what they do.
Whether it succeeds or fails, they're not just blindly doing this.
He's complaining about a draft pick two months after he was taken. Nashville has plenty of misses on defenseman, too. Or did you already forget about Ryan Parent and Jonathan Blum? They aren't gods.