2.8 points per game is what you need from your D to win the Stanley CUP.

[awegrzyn]

Below is a chart that shows you what is required to win a cup from a defensive point of view. In order to build your team for play off success, your D roster must score above 2.8 point per game COLLECTIVELY (so not in every game) across the regular season. If your team is below that, the chances of winning games in the play offs are smaller, because the lack of offense from D must be made up by the rest of the team, which is much harder to do than in regular season. This is the reason why Toronto lost, and why there is so much pressure on the CoreFore.

The chart shows each team scoring from D. The bottom 6 teams on this list, are no longer competing. My chart is not a full picture. You still have top 6 and bottom 6. Both have to be in balance. The entire team being in balance regarding offensive scoring is what gives you highest chances to win in modern NHL.

Yes, in case you're wonder, I can write an algorithm that will give me a contender on paper and fit the cap.

 

[WarriorofTime]

Defensemen get a lot of points off secondary assists and while sometimes it's a result of play-driving, it can also be a fair bit of mooching. So you're going to get a lot of correlation/not necessarily causation here (high scoring team because forwards are lighting it up, defensemen will get the benefit of that in their stats a lot)

 

[PistolPete]

Defensemen get a lot of points off secondary assists and while sometimes it's a result of play-driving, it can also be a fair bit of mooching. So you're going to get a lot of correlation/not necessarily causation here (high scoring team because forwards are lighting it up, defensemen will get the benefit of that in their stats a lot)

I've curious as to what this would come up with for the Original Six era since the belief is that there was no offense from the defense . Could it be another mistake belief or is it true?

 

[COHawk]

I don't get it. The Avs are #1 and out of the playoffs. The stars are below your threshold and still in it. Feel like this might be a lot more interesting averaged out over a number of different postseasons.

 

[WhiskeyYerTheDevils]

Below is a chart that shows you what is required to win a cup from a defensive point of view.

That's not at all what that shows.

 

[tarheelhockey]

I've curious as to what this would come up with for the Original Six era since the belief is that there was no offense from the defense . Could it be another mistake belief or is it true?

Some of this also comes down to irregularities in counting. Defenseman assists got a lot more common around the same time that the game production got more sophisticated.

 

[WarriorofTime]

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[PistolPete]

Some of this also comes down to irregularities in counting. Defenseman assists got a lot more common around the same time that the game production got more sophisticated.

True.

I hear they were mire stingy with the assists back in the day

 

[tarheelhockey]

True.

I hear they were mire stingy with the assists back in the day

If you go back far enough, it was more basketball-like where a player had to actually contribute something to get an assist.

As you get closer to present, it became more about simply touching the puck. But even so, that’s really hard to track for one referee and two linesmen. The difficulty is still evident in beer leagues, where the refs often miss assists and sometimes have to ask the players for help. Not easy to track who’s touching the puck when you’re also watching everything else at the same time.

 

[PistolPete]

If you go back far enough, it was more basketball-like where a player had to actually contribute something to get an assist.

As you get closer to present, it became more about simply touching the puck. But even so, that’s really hard to track for one referee and two linesmen. The difficulty is still evident in beer leagues, where the refs often miss assists and sometimes have to ask the players for help. Not easy to track who’s touching the puck when you’re also watching everything else at the same time.

I recall reading about the 1980 Art Ross Trophy race and how there was a bias because Marcsl Dionne was given assists more generously. Not sure how that would work though since the implications was it was a hometown bias. Can't even remember where I read it to check it sfsin

 

[tarheelhockey]

I recall reading about the 1980 Art Ross Trophy race and how there was a bias because Marcsl Dionne was given assists more generously. Not sure how that would work though since the implications was it was a hometown bias. Can't even remember where I read it to check it sfsin

If you search “Dionne phantom assist” it brings up some old History board threads that mention it indirectly. Most of them involve @reckoning who is still active here, so tagging him to see if he has more detailed info on the subject.

 

[Mickey Marner]

You pulled those numbers out of your unwiped ass. Colorado, Edmonton, Florida, Toronto all of them are wrong. Probably the rest too, but I can’t be bothered to check. Florida won with fewer than 2.8 points per game from their defense literally last year. Nonsense thread.

 

[Romang67]

Yes, in case you're wonder, I can write an algorithm that will give me a contender on paper and fit the cap.

While team unbalanced:
-If d-men < 6:
--Push high_scoring_d_man to team
-If unbalanced(top6, bottom6):
--Balancify(top6, bottom6, ufa_stack)
-If salary > cap:
--Pop player from team

 

[WaitingForThatCab]

Somebody discovered how to put formulas into Excel cells.