Value of: 13 OA to St. Louis

[Tasteless Beaver]

By the time you're outside of the Top 10 the likelihood of hitting on a pick drops off dramatically. Moving from 20 to 13 in a consensus weak draft isn't going to take a massive payment. A 2nd round pick is a fairly respectable return for dropping from a mid-1st to a lower-mid 1st. It's not like you're dealing a 2nd to go from #20 to #5. Include a 3rd or a low-level prospect if it's not enough. It won't take both 1sts if it were to happen.

Last year the Jets swapped a 2nd for a 3rd to move up 4 spots from #22 to #18. The Coyotes dealt a 2nd and Joe Vitale to move up 4 spots from #20 to #16, and they took on Datsyuk's contract in the process.

Your cases lack context. Jets basically traded 22 and 36 (early 2nd) in a deep draft for 18th and 76th (I think?). Trading 20 and 27 is a slightly larger payment vs 22 & 36, but the jump from 18 to 13 is a lot bigger. There is better value for the Blues to get 13 (and a 3rd), vs. what the Jets paid for 18.

And the Coyotes took on Datsyuk's contract to hit the cap floor - that contract became an asset to them. They needed the cap recapture to spend cap money without spending it, basically a bad form of draft asset control to save $$$.

 

[Hictor Vedman*]

You could just give up a second round pick instead of an additional first to move up 6 spots in the middle of the first round.

 

[bluetuned]

Your cases lack context. Jets basically traded 22 and 36 (early 2nd) in a deep draft for 18th and 76th (I think?). Trading 20 and 27 is a slightly larger payment vs 22 & 36, but the jump from 18 to 13 is a lot bigger. There is better value for the Blues to get 13 (and a 3rd), vs. what the Jets paid for 18.

Thank you for explaining the context that I already included on that Jets deal?

They traded a 2nd for a 3rd to move up 4 spots. The Blues are supposed to hand over a 1st outright to move up 7 spots without getting anything else in return? That side-by-side doesn't fly.

So we'll keep both 1sts if that's the case. The statistical difference between 13 and 20 is pretty minimal, especially in what is considered to be a weak draft.

 

[JetsHomer]

Thank you for explaining the context that I already included on that Jets deal?

They traded a 2nd for a 3rd to move up 4 spots. The Blues are supposed to hand over a 1st outright to move up 7 spots without getting anything else in return? That side-by-side doesn't fly.

So we'll keep both 1sts if that's the case. The statistical difference between 13 and 20 is pretty minimal, especially in what is considered to be a weak draft.

Maybe it's because you are disingenuously referring to the picks as a 2nd and a 1st instead of calling it like it is and referring to them as the 36th and 27th picks

 

[BStinson]

Thank you for explaining the context that I already included on that Jets deal?

They traded a 2nd for a 3rd to move up 4 spots. The Blues are supposed to hand over a 1st outright to move up 7 spots without getting anything else in return? That side-by-side doesn't fly.

So we'll keep both 1sts if that's the case. The statistical difference between 13 and 20 is pretty minimal, especially in what is considered to be a weak draft.

This whole weak draft is going blown out of context. The draft lacks "franchise" level guys but offers some great complimentary players in the first 15 picks.

 

[Redline]

This whole weak draft is going blown out of context. The draft lacks "franchise" level guys but offers some great complimentary players in the first 15 picks.

I'd say closer to 25th before there's a big difference.

 

[bluetuned]

Maybe it's because you are disingenuously referring to the picks as a 2nd and a 1st instead of calling it like it is and referring to them as the 36th and 27th picks

Calling a 2nd a 2nd and a 1st a 1st isn't disingenuous. It's factual.

And again, the Jets didn't outright give up the #36 like people are suggesting the Blues do with the #27. They swapped it for a later pick, which is absent in the original proposal to the Blues. It doesn't make sense to trade two 1sts for one 1st that might have a coin flip's better chance of being a competent player.

 

[Tasteless Beaver]

Calling a 2nd a 2nd and a 1st a 1st isn't disingenuous. It's factual.

And again, the Jets didn't outright give up the #36 like people are suggesting the Blues do with the #27. They swapped it for a later pick, which is absent in the original proposal to the Blues. It doesn't make sense to trade two 1sts for one 1st that might have a coin flip's better chance of being a competent player.

A "2nd" can mean either 32 or 62, both clearly have different values. The #36 is damn close to a first, and exact numbers help. Saying the Jets dropped 43 spots to move up 4 says a lot more than "traded a 2nd for a 3rd to move up 4".

I doubt you would find much protest about us moving #74 with #13 for both 20/27.