GDT: 11/27/24 - 7:30PM EDT - Washington vs Tampa Bay

[The Gongshow]

Pathetic loss.

 

[AHockeyFanatic]

Most inconsistent team in the league next to the Panthers. Must be a Florida thing.

 

[Todd1a]

Personnel just ain't it. Gonna beat that drum til it improves. Vasy isn't the b2b vasy he was. At some point accepting that has to happen. Doesn't mean he's not great, but this is and has been the norm for a couple years. Defense is inconsistent. We need a few bottom six guys that can wear down the opponent. There's no identity to this team. It's a put together idea of a team that is middle of the pack and mediocre. That's the sad reality.

Ya i agree we need two forwards at the trade deadline to be anything again we are playing in our own zone to much

 

[RussianGuyovich]

At least the caps are frauds, too

 

[ccman68]

got what we deserved. i'm the #1 vasy hater but this game was some f***ing bullshit and blaming it on the goalie is just a joke. them gifting us 2 goals is the only reason it looked close.

 

[These Are The Days]

I am beyond sick of this. Let's gut what's left of the offense to get Josi too. That'll fix the defense for sure! This can't *POSSIBLY * be the whole league having 4 years to watch us run the same playbook

 

[Hoek]

Jeez what a throw, guys.

 

[gn2007]

When are we going to fire our PK coach. This is beyond embarrassing.

 

[Lightning1995]

This team consistently coughs up leads. Really can’t figure out if they are any good this season. Have some juice but is the D really any better? Doesn’t seem that way.

Washington totally retooled on the fly and now they are better than the Lightning on the ice and in the standings

 

[JTBF81]

When you score 4 and lose, the problem isn't the forwards. Vasy was .844 and trash, while McD-Cernak have had some significant struggles. It may be time to try Moser at 2LD and McD at 3LD for a little while to see if that helps. A 4/5 dman amd a middle 6 F should still be acquired, but regardless of who they may acquire, they won't win anything if Vasy can't be better more consistently.

 

[bov]

It wasn't Vasy's "fault" per se, but he had a rough game. You need to save one or two of those. Nonchalant d wasn't helping.

 

[JTBF81]

Vasy has also now given up 3 or more in almost half of his starts this season (8/18). The team is now 1-7 in those games. The defense as a whole also needs to be better, but when you are paying your net minder 9.5 million a year, the performance must be better.

 

[Bartleby]

got what we deserved. i'm the #1 vasy hater but this game was some f***ing bullshit and blaming it on the goalie is just a joke. them gifting us 2 goals is the only reason it looked close.

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I agree, we got what we deserved but I don't agree that somehow Vasy deserves a pass. You do understand that he is among the highest paid goalies in the league and gets that amount of dough to not be ordinary, right? Tonight he was a bad as the team in front of him.

 

[JTBF81]

This team consistently coughs up leads. Really can’t figure out if they are any good this season. Have some juice but is the D really any better? Doesn’t seem that way.

Washington totally retooled on the fly and now they are better than the Lightning on the ice and in the standings

Eh, better in the standings (for now), but Tampa dominated them earlier 3-0. I wouldn't call the Caps clearly "better" than Tampa overall.

 

[TheDaysOf 04]

The best medicine is a plate full of turkey and plenty of sides. Not for them. For us. Have a good thanksgiving everyone

 

[The Macho King]

Vasi had a real shit game.

Idk we didn't have a great territorial game but the Caps chances weren't great. And yeah we got gifted 2 goals but when we're paying our guy 9.5 and they're paying theirs .8 gifting us two goals should be a W.

 

[Bartleby]

We're inconsistent and heading for slightly better than middling, eighth seed, first round bounce material. Again. Personally, I think the roster is better than that.

Hmm, what to do?

 

[Soul Assumption]

Hmm, what to do?

fire the coach

 

[JTBF81]

We're inconsistent and heading for slightly better than middling, eighth seed, first round bounce material. Again. Personally, I think the roster is better than that.

Hmm, what to do?

I would try some different d-pairs maybe, but if the team wants to be passive and stop attacking after jumping out to leads, this will likely continue. Paul and Chaffee being out also hurts, but scoring wasn't the problem. Vasy also has to be better on a more consistent basis, simple as that if this team has any hope of making another run. Cooper isn't the problem, he can't force the team to give a crap and stop being lazy, he can only stress the message. It's worked a few times when they've stated aggressive, but not enough yet this season. I guess the beatings will have to continue until morale improves lol.

 

[Stammertime91]

We're inconsistent and heading for slightly better than middling, eighth seed, first round bounce material. Again. Personally, I think the roster is better than that.

Hmm, what to do?

Relocate to St Pete

 

[Bartleby]

I would try some different d-pairs maybe, but if the team wants to be passive and stop attacking after jumping out to leads, this will likely continue. Paul and Chaffee being out also hurts, but scoring wasn't the problem. Vasy also has to be better on a more consistent basis, simple as that if this team has any hope of making another run. Cooper isn't the problem, he can't force the team to give a crap and stop being lazy, he can only stress the message. It's worked a few times when they've stated aggressive, but not enough yet this season. I guess the beatings will have to continue until morale improves lol.

I disagree that Cooper isn't the problem. He may not be the whole problem but he doesn't get a pass. Not a chance. And as I've said so many times, you can have the best message in the world but if everyone has heard it 10,000 times, they're not hearing it anymore.

 

[JTBF81]

I disagree that Cooper isn't the problem. He may not be the whole problem but he doesn't get a pass. Not a chance. And as I've said so many times, you can have the best message in the world but if everyone has heard it 10,000 times, they're not hearing it anymore.

Sure, Cooper does take some of the heat, but he's not remotely close to going anywhere, so those continuing to wish for his dismissal will remain sorely disappointed. There are other ways to try and improve a clearly talented roster. Again though, unless Vasy starts to look like the Vasy that led them to b2b Cups, not much else is going to matter.

 

[Soul Assumption]

They score a goal or two and then stop attacking trying to hold the lead. It worked in 2019 but now Mcdonagh and Hedman are 40 years old and Vasy sucks too so it doesn't work. but Cooper still does it every game so i don't know how you don't see a problem with it guys

 

[JTBF81]

They score a goal or two and then stop attacking trying to hold the lead. It worked in 2019 but now Mcdonagh and Hedman are 40 years old and Vasy sucks too so it doesn't work. but Cooper still does it every game so i don't know how you don't see a problem with it guys

They have remained aggressive with leads in games thus season, so who knows what Cooper's message has been. Maybe it's a "shell"strategy, maybe not. Either way, he's not getting fired this season barring some extraordinary circumstances, so there's little point harping on that as being some change that's going to fix the team.

 

[JTBF81]

Tampa has now scored 3 or more in 16 out of 21 games this year and 4 or more in 11. They are 11-4-1 when scoring 3, and only 7-4 when scoring 4 or more. Vasy is now 7-3 in those games, which is not good enough by far. The team is averaging 3.81 gf/g, so offense is not the problem. It could be even better with an add and as the power play gets better, but being able to score enough goals is usually not the problem. The defense is a little better, but they lack consistency. I don't know what happened to Vasy around 2 years ago, whether it's the injuries or something else, but he just has not been the same since the end of the '21-'22 season.