Value of: #1 goalie to Carolina?

[TheBigLetowski]

With the Canes in playoff position with some of the worst goaltending in the league is honestly encouraging. However, Canes need a guy that can take the reigns since it's obvious that Raanta/Kooch ain't gonna cut it (shocking I know)

It may be too early to speculate who's available, but I have always hyped John Gibson to the Canes.

What's that going to take?

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[Tob]

I can't even get a #1 goalie in fantasy hockey, how are you gonna pull that off gov?

 

[FlyguyOX]

Hart for Nikishin and a 1st seems fair.

 

[Double Dion]

I would think there is a possibility Markstrom will become available. I'm wondering if that's why they took a lesser deal with no retention, than the better assets with retention.

 

[Gaylord Q Tinkledink]

I would think there is a possibility Markstrom will become available. I'm wondering if that's why they took a lesser deal with no retention, than the better assets with retention.

On 32 thoughts they said that deal with no retention allows the flames to accumulate LTIR now, so there's a chance they're going to be building towards something, but I don't think that's the reason why they didn't retain, or want to here.

 

[Double Dion]

On 32 thoughts they said that deal with no retention allows the flames to accumulate LTIR now, so there's a chance they're going to be building towards something, but I don't think that's the reason why they didn't retain, or want to here.

I think there are 3 possibilities:

1. Edwards hates retention. He has done it before, but it was always rumored to be something he doesn't want to do.

2. They want to have the slots to up the return on Tanev, Lindholm and Hanifin. I believe they will sign one of those 2 defensemen. So I don't think that's it.

3. They think they can move one of Markstrom, Huberdeau or Kadri. I don't think Huberdeau is moveable unless you take a bad deal back and retain, so I don't think it's him. Markstrom at 50% brings you real value back. Kadri you would probably move if you retain 2M.

 

[Unsustainable]

Hart for Nikishin and a 1st seems fair.

Carolina laughs and hangs up.

 

[Bond]

Markstrom at full freight can probably be had for a 3rd or something

2. They want to have the slots to up the return on Tanev, Lindholm and Hanifin. I believe they will sign one of those 2 defensemen. So I don't think that's it.

I think it is this one. Tanev and Hanifin already turned down contracts from the Flames

 

[JRichard]

Carolina laughs and hangs up.

Lets cut the hanging up jokes and see what could be done.
How about talking about Kotchetkov as part of the return for Hart? Obviously Car adds but who or what are we talking about here?
lousy stat last night .886 against Devils but some highlight saves kept the game close.

 

[AhosDatsyukian]

Hart for Nikishin and a 1st seems fair.

LOL not even close. Hart hasn't been anything special in years, I wouldn't give just a 1st for him, there are better options. Nikishin is borderline untouchable

 

[My3Sons]

Carolina seems risk averse but they may have to extend themselves if they want to really go for a cup. I'm not sure that they have a better chance than this year and next year. At some point they will have to start paying more players for later UFA years and their depth will start to take something of a hit. It is probably worth paying the freight for a true top goalie if one is available and fits the salary parameters. Not sure if that's Markstrom though. He hasn't had a good season since 2020 and have the Flames been that bad in front of him for 3 years now? And that contract is pretty steep.

 

[Double Dion]

Carolina seems risk averse but they may have to extend themselves if they want to really go for a cup. I'm not sure that they have a better chance than this year and next year. At some point they will have to start paying more players for later UFA years and their depth will start to take something of a hit. It is probably worth paying the freight for a true top goalie if one is available and fits the salary parameters. Not sure if that's Markstrom though. He hasn't had a good season since 2020 and have the Flames been that bad in front of him for 3 years now? And that contract is pretty steep.

Markstrom finished 2nd in the voting for the Vezina in 2022. Not sure if he's the answer. But he had a VERY good season in 2022 and has been pretty solid this season. Last year he was brutal. Of course the whole team also underperformed. At 50% cap hit you would get very good value.

 

[BHawk21]

What does Carolina think about getting Mrazek back? Not a true #1 but wont cost much and can play that tandem role.

Raanta + ? for Mrazek

 

[cptjeff]

What does Carolina think about getting Mrazek back? Not a true #1 but wont cost much and can play that tandem role.

Raanta + ? for Mrazek

If you're asking for Raanta back, probably just Raanta and a 3rd or thereabouts. Raanta is a great 1B or backup, but starts to melt down when given starter workload, Mrazek is a 1B quality goalie but who can handle more games, I don't think there's really a huge difference in value there.

And yeah, I'd absolutely love Mrazek back. How can you not love that guy?

 

[Unsustainable]

Lets cut the hanging up jokes and see what could be done.
How about talking about Kotchetkov as part of the return for Hart? Obviously Car adds but who or what are we talking about here?
lousy stat last night .886 against Devils but some highlight saves kept the game close.

Nikishin is a non starter.

I would think if yall are looking for defense, Morrow is an attractive prospect.

 

[My3Sons]

Markstrom finished 2nd in the voting for the Vezina in 2022. Not sure if he's the answer. But he had a VERY good season in 2022 and has been pretty solid this season. Last year he was brutal. Of course the whole team also underperformed. At 50% cap hit you would get very good value.

I thought Calgary was hoping to avoid retention? Two years after this one is a lot to retain and I'm skeptical the return goes up that much. He's clearly a good choice for an all in team for this year and next year but I expect like most deals of this type it's mostly futures going to Calgary and I'm skeptical it's much more than a first and a good prospect and some filler going back to Calgary with or without retention.

 

[Double Dion]

I thought Calgary was hoping to avoid retention? Two years after this one is a lot to retain and I'm skeptical the return goes up that much. He's clearly a good choice for an all in team for this year and next year but I expect like most deals of this type it's mostly futures going to Calgary and I'm skeptical it's much more than a first and a good prospect and some filler going back to Calgary with or without retention.

I don't think we get a 1st for Markstrom without max retention. Maybe not even then. The thing it does for us is open up a spot for Dustin Wolf. He was back to back AHL goalie of the year and AHL MVP last season. If you had a D prospect who projects as a top 4-5 guy. Or a late 1st. Or a couple of 2nds it's a move I think the Flames would make. Markstrom and Lindholm are BFFs. I think he would waive if Lindholm gets moved.

 

[pth2]

Jake Allen could be a fit as a platoon goalie. I don't expect more than a 3d rounder in return, more if Carolina wants to send back a contract.

 

[My3Sons]

I don't think we get a 1st for Markstrom without max retention. Maybe not even then. The thing it does for us is open up a spot for Dustin Wolf. He was back to back AHL goalie of the year and AHL MVP last season. If you had a D prospect who projects as a top 4-5 guy. Or a late 1st. Or a couple of 2nds it's a move I think the Flames would make. Markstrom and Lindholm are BFFs. I think he would waive if Lindholm gets moved.

Apparently NJ put out feelers on a Markstrom move but given their cap situation I’m sure NJ offered a bargain return and still wanted Calgary to retain and part of thr offer was probably Vanacek which doesn’t do anything for Calgary.

 

[ujju2]

Can I interest you in a slightly used Campbell?

 

[FlyguyOX]

Carolina laughs and hangs up.

A goalie as young and NHL accomplished as Hart is rare company. Just say Carolina doesn't value elite goalies, because they obviously don't. They do this carousel every year.

Hart also has a ton of tread left on his tires compared to the other goalies that are mentioned ITT. That adds additional value.

 

[Unsustainable]

A goalie as young and NHL accomplished as Hart is rare company. Just say Carolina doesn't value elite goalies, because they obviously don't. They do this carousel every year.

Hart also has a ton of tread left on his tires compared to the other goalies that are mentioned ITT. That adds additional value.

You're not getting a blue chip like Nikishin and a 1st.

Morrow + is where it would be if youre looking for a defenseman.

Nikishin is pretty well untouchable

 

[JRichard]

Nikishin is a non starter.

I would think if yall are looking for defense, Morrow is an attractive prospect.

He does check a few boxes: rd, size, early 2nd in 21. I could see Philly being interested in him.

 

[Big Daddy Cane]

The Canes are built to not need franchise goaltending. They’ve won rounds with Mrazek, McElhinney, Nedeljkovic and Raanta.

It just needs for it to not be bad. A Hart or Saros is overkill. A Gibson or Markstrom may not fit in the cap structure; the total spend on goaltending in this era has been in the $6 mil - $7 mil range.

Raanta and Kochetkov just need to play better. Hopefully Andersen gets healthy by playoff time. Any meaningful trade assets need to be directed towards the finish touch up front.

 

[Unsustainable]

He does check a few boxes: rd, size, early 2nd in 21. I could see Philly being interested in him.

So, lets have a little fun:

Canes: Hart, Konency
Flyers: 1st, Morrow, Necas, Suzuki or similar prospect