GDT: #1: FLYERS vs. Blackhawks, Friday, Oct. 4, 2019, 2:00 pm ET [at Prague, Czech Republic]

[Rebels57]

What does used correctly even mean? If Provorov, Ghost and Sanheim can only be good with the right partner, they aren't really that good to begin with.

Not true. Hagg has historically been a drag on every single partner he has played with. He would drag down anyone. It's like playing shorthanded.

Braun just isn't the player that can handle top-pairing minutes anymore. He wasn't even doing that in his prime. He's fine as a #4 for a year while Myers gets his game in gear..but top pair?

 

[bennysflyers16]

When you spend $15M+ some & some assets on players you brought over the summer & aren’t remarkably better than what you’ve been over the years yes that’s concerning to me.

Now we’re suppressing the guys that could potentially make a positive impact in a big way for this team for players who offer little to no upside.

Who’s the 20 mill ?

Or are we still pretending HAyes was bad ?

 

[Rebels57]

Been a fan longer than most have been alive, cheering for this team so long , being optimistic before real games is the only time it can happen.

I will snap out of it soon, but I also want to enjoy cheering for the team

So do I. I was right there with you until the Hak-esque stupidity bubbled up to the surface again.

 

[FatTugboatFlahr]

It’s also annoying that we are just burning ELC years keeping people in the AHL.

This is when you capitalize on paying these kids a fraction of their on ice value.

 

[Striiker]

Probably, see your are slowly getting it. Ghost is prob good enough to carry Haag

Ghost is our best D, so yeah he can carry the trash, but that doesn't mean you want him forced to carry dead weight instead of setting him up for success, the way a competent coach would.

Imagine if they put Lehtera on Couturier and Girouxs wing last year... that's basically the same type of sabotage we're seeing here.

 

[JojoTheWhale]

It does make you wonder....if those posts would have been more favorable to Farabee he likely makes the team. Came so close to scoring many, many times

I believe this to be true, which is actually the precise reason I have a problem with it.

If he wasn’t creating chances, I’d have zero issues sending him down. Acknowledging that sometimes the Goalie makes a Save and sometimes you’re just going to miss the net and baking that into your personnel decisions should be an expected part of the baseline at this point.

 

[Curufinwe]

They have 5 forwards in the bottom 6 that are best-suited as 4th liners on a playoff team. Would you disagree with that?

Farabee at 19 is also best-suited as a 4th liner on a playoff team right now. So is NAK, who I like better than Twarynski as a RW, but not to the point of flipping out anymore since he did get thru waivers.

Patrick hasn't played since April 2nd and Frost hasn't played since September 21st due to injury. That's going to make the bottom 6 significantly worse. Even if you assume a healthy Frost who played five preseason games also would have been cut, just losing Patrick is a big blow they can't easily fix.

 

[TCTC]

Not true. Hagg has historically been a drag on every single partner he has played with. He would drag down anyone. It's like playing shorthanded.

Braun just isn't the player that can handle top-pairing minutes anymore. He wasn't even doing that in his prime. He's fine as a #4 for a year while Myers gets his game in gear..but top pair?

I'm not happy with Hagg still in the lineup, but we can blame Myers and his lackluster pre-season for that. It was his spot to lose and he lost it.
The pairings aren't ideal, but AV isn't Hakstol. He won't keep them like that no matter what.

 

[bennysflyers16]

Ghost is our best D, so yeah he can carry the trash, but that doesn't mean you want him forced to carry dead weight instead of setting him up for success, the way a competent coach would.

Imagine if they put Lehtera on Couturier and Girouxs wing last year... that's basically the same type of sabotage we're seeing here.

Again Agree. BUT HAag is playing, it is what it is

 

[KrazyKat]

It’s also annoying that we are just burning ELC years keeping people in the AHL.

This is when you capitalize on paying these kids a fraction of their on ice value.

Relax. No one said they would be there the FULL season. I’d imagine around 10-15 games let them turn it up a notch. Score some goals and get their confidence up.

 

[Striiker]

Again Agree. BUT HAag is playing, it is what it is

And "what it is" is the death of me

 

[Curufinwe]

Myers may not have made the opening game even with a great preseason. It's hard to say what their intentions are till at least the Welinski situation is resolved.

 

[Captain Dave Poulin]

Who’s the 20 mill ?

Or are we still pretending HAyes was bad ?

It's going to be extremely interesting to see how people react to his play over the course of the season. I don't expect anyone else to hate his mutt ass like I do (and I don't expect anyone to take my opinion of his mutt ass seriously, even though I am totally right about him), but it will be interesting to see how much his average play will be exaggerated. I am sure he will have his moments where he deserves some accolades and you guys can throw him a literal bone, but the rest of the time I'm interested to see how people react.

 

[marcsson68]

I will be at the game. I hope I won‘t see what I am expecting to see .

Let‘s go Flyers. Live up to my trip!

 

[Rebels57]

I'm not happy with Hagg still in the lineup, but we can blame Myers and his lackluster pre-season for that. It was his spot to lose and he lost it.
The pairings aren't ideal, but AV isn't Hakstol. He won't keep them like that no matter what.

It was his spot to lose, he outplayed Hagg despite not having his A game, and Hagg was picked over him despite playing worse and having no upside..is a better way to put it.

 

[JojoTheWhale]

I'm not happy with Hagg still in the lineup, but we can blame Myers and his lackluster pre-season for that. It was his spot to lose and he lost it.

This is what I mean when I say some arguments are disingenuous. It wasn’t an A/B Myers/Hagg toggle. There were many other options.

 

[LegionOfDoom91]

Who’s the 20 mill ?

Or are we still pretending HAyes was bad ?

I corrected myself to $15+ after doing the math in my head. We’re spending about $17.7M on Hayes, Niskanen, & Braun this year to be more exact.

I like Hayes as a player. The contract stinks. But he does help now but it’s one guy & it’s not like he’s a top line caliber of player.

We need more corresponding moves than just Hayes to really move the needle for this team & it just doesn’t really look like it’s going to be happening for now.

 

[Captain Dave Poulin]

I believe this to be true, which is actually the precise reason I have a problem with it.

If he wasn’t creating chances, I’d have zero issues sending him down. Acknowledging that sometimes the Goalie makes a Save and sometimes you’re just going to miss the net and baking that into your personnel decisions should be an expected part of the baseline at this point.

Just a tangential point here about how it would be nice if they were sending him down to work under a better coach than Gordo and a better system than The Beanpot Puck Chuck Up-Ice.

 

[Striiker]

Hayes being 1C over Couturier is hilarious

or, alternatively

Giroux being on the 2nd line is hilarious

Just depends on how you want to look at it and how much icetime they get.

 

[Captain Dave Poulin]

Relax. No one said they would be there the FULL season. I’d imagine around 10-15 games let them turn it up a notch. Score some goals and get their confidence up.

Krazy, only casuals relax.

 

[FatTugboatFlahr]

Relax. No one said they would be there the FULL season. I’d imagine around 10-15 games let them turn it up a notch. Score some goals and get their confidence up.

Relax? We literally just watched PEB, VEV, Weise, White, AMac etc etc take up roster spots despite being bad/useless.

This isn’t new..

 

[Captain Dave Poulin]

It was his spot to lose, he outplayed Hagg despite not having his A game, and Hagg was picked over him despite playing worse and having no upside..is a better way to put it.

Another way to put it is "He won the spot with his development over the past four years and earned some leeway, but Alain had never heard of him before the start of training camp."

 

[Curufinwe]

Would it be shocking if Hayes got 70 points if he plays on PP1 and about half of the season on a line with G? Something like 45 ES, 20 PP, 5 SH.

 

[Rich Nixon]

Would it be shocking if Hayes got 70 points if he plays on PP1 and about half of the season on a line with G? Something like 45 ES, 20 PP, 5 SH.

Dunno about the rest of this but if anyone on the Flyers end up with 5 SH points I'll eat the phone I'm typing this on.

 

[DancingPanther]

Not unemployed thankfully...but if I was this start time would be perfect.....

Better than viewing Judge Judy well-fare shaming people on trial....

It's perfect for me, and I'm employed.

Night shift best shift.