Post-Game Talk: #1 - 01/14/21 | islanders @ RANGERS

[PuckLuck3043]

They played exactly like this for too many games over the last handful of seasons. Let's not throw that away completely and pretend like it's only one game.

Pointing out a persistent issue isn't being an over reactionary game 1 fan. There are plenty of over reactionary, silly posts that do warrant a "cool it" so maybe you lumped mine in bc it's late. But through this thread I get a lot of #imarealfan vibes from your posts

They played poorly the first few weeks of last year and they got much better as the season progressed and same will happen this year. I just don't overreact to one very poor game that I knew was going to happen anyway for the reasons I have already explained. I'm kind of shocked over the ledge jumping already. The hot takes are insane.

 

[mulli25]

To me they looked like a team that bought all the hype about their own potential and got smacked right in the mouth by an experienced team and top tier coach. Preseason would have been good for this team, more so than for a team like the Islanders I'd say. They were horribly out of sync, and completely unprepared for hockey at NHL speeds.

The makeup of this team, and the way the play the game, relies on everyone being in sync. This is a preview/reminder of how bad they can look when they're off. The flip side of this is a team that looks unstoppable when firing on all cylinders. The trick is getting to that point more often than not. Half of that is coaching/leadership, but unfortunately the other half is experience.

 

[PuckLuck3043]

To me they looked like a team that bought all the hype about their own potential and got smacked right in the mouth by an experienced team and top tier coach. Preseason would have been good for this team, more so than for a team like the Islanders I'd say. They were horribly out of sync, and completely unprepared for hockey at NHL speeds.

The makeup of this team, and the way the play the game, relies on everyone being in sync. This is a preview/reminder of how bad they can look when they're off. The flip side of this is a team that looks unstoppable when firing on all cylinders. The trick is getting to that point more often than not. Half of that is coaching/leadership, but unfortunately the other half is experience.

Good post. They are a team that will struggle until the timing is there and when it's not they look like ass. It's just the way it is. It's going to take a few weeks especially with the long layoff and no preseason.

 

[Dr. Ogrodnick]

In the Rangers most successful season in recent history, they looked like this for the first month of the season. That was not the youngest team in the league. Calm your tits.

If they look like this for the first month of the season they will have already missed any shot at the playoffs with only 56 games. Probably gets Quinn fired too.

 

[Ola]

DQ is saying the right things, but he is behind this more than he takes responsibility for. For 15 years I've heard fans complain on coaches at this place for them -- in reality -- being cautious. Not hanging kids out to dry. Not making all potential high reward changes at once. And so forth, and so forth, and so forth.

K'Andre's usage yesterday wasn't developing a kid, none of the kids yesterday were "developed". It sets marks and is taking two steps back, not forward.

I don't think its the end of the world, some might think, rather 'this that that'. Maybe there is a point in that. Not saying everything has been perfect historically. But do I think we have been optimally prepared for this season by DQ? Nope, definitely not. Think he could have done a much better job. He constantly has intentions that are not realistic, isn't in touch with what is required in the NHL. That is worrisome. I just don't seem to be able to pick up what is required in this league. What might work and what most certainly never will.

 

[Kovalev27]

I’m sick over this as I wake up this morning.

The wife and I had a great night planned all rink eats and drinks our new Lafreniere jerseys on, she was rocking some tight red pants everything going my way and after waiting all this time like the bubble these guys come out and play one of if not the worst hockey games top to bottom that I’ve ever seen the Rangers ever play. Kevin Rooney no question was our best player and even he gets concussed half way thru.

just an unacceptable game that coaches get fired for if we’re being honest. This team looks somehow worse than the bubble team.

Humiliating performance that leaves me wondering if these guys have tuned Quinn out already.

the structure and the pk looked like crap. Jack Johnson is not a good penalty killer at all. They look like clowns signing that guy and sure enough he embarrassed himself as everyone other than management knew he would.

I am disgusted and IMO the clock just started on Quinn.

 

[Levitate]

Do they really though?

Hughes got bullied all of last year and is allergic to scoring goals. Dach got some primo minutes with Kane towards the end of last year.

The hyperbole tonight is ridiculous and his overall analytics based off of this game alone are really not reflective with how he played.

His issues are really 2 fold...

1. He isn't good at getting the puck back when he doesn't have it, this should be a major area of focus for him, this is coachable.
2. His best work comes from the dots inwards.

In a game where Panarin was basically dishing pucks out to the Islanders like he was playing for them, #1 was really exaggerated in the statistics (almost all of his xGA can be attributed to Panarin. I don't think he did anything egregious defensively but I'd have to go back and look at the tape to make sure and I'd rather not) and #2 couldn't come into fruition. In fact, I'd say that the coaching staff has done a really, really poor job putting him in a position to use his strengths and last year, tried to turn him into a player that he wasn't (along with him losing his wind like after 20 games.)

But here is the good news, when Panarin decides that he wants to start playing like a good player again, #2 is something that should become MUCH easier for him to do. I don't know if this is the best line for him, but they should stick with it for a while and see what it looks like when Panarin is Panarin instead of what ever the hell he was tonight.

I just don't get where all the hate is coming from. Its one game where our best player was our worst forward and happened to be on Kakko's line.

I like this take but I do still want to see more from Kakko, he needs to be more active like he was in the Carolina games.
Hard for him to be working the boards and the puck when most of the time when his line got the puck it was Panarin controlling on the wall before throwing it away. That said, I also saw some time when Panarin was controlling the puck and Kakko didn't move to give him a passing option, but Panarin was kind of roaming and Kakko didn't quite seem to be ready to switch sides like Panarin seemed to want

At any rate, Kakko just needs to up the pace of his own game I feel. Strome being invisible and Panarin being blah doesn't help but then Kakko's gotta find a way to get involved. Time for him to start owning the puck

 

[DekeR]

My problem with this game is not that they lost this game in the 1st period, but they lost this game in the 2nd and 3rd. Their play didn't change one iota, they lost more faceoffs then carter has pills, their player leadership failed to rally the troops and perform better, they failed miserably to be a competitive team and being hard to play against didn't even show up at the door. It was a shame that there was not any fans in attendance because their voices would have been louder than that of the coaching staff. The hitting was nill at best, thats not an Islander/Ranger game and I guess that the Islanders didn't throw any hits in fear of waking up their opponent. But ten again it's only one game.

 

[Dr. Ogrodnick]

Frustrating watching Quinn in the post game show talking about the team being unprepared to play and not playing with good intentions, as if those things don't fall primarily on the coaches, especially with such a young team.

 

[Levitate]

DQ is saying the right things, but he is behind this more than he takes responsibility for. For 15 years I've heard fans complain on coaches at this place for them -- in reality -- being cautious. Not hanging kids out to dry. Not making all potential high reward changes at once. And so forth, and so forth, and so forth.

K'Andre's usage yesterday wasn't developing a kid, none of the kids yesterday were "developed". It sets marks and is taking two steps back, not forward.

I don't think its the end of the world, some might think, rather 'this that that'. Maybe there is a point in that. Not saying everything has been perfect historically. But do I think we have been optimally prepared for this season by DQ? Nope, definitely not. Think he could have done a much better job. He constantly has intentions that are not realistic, isn't in touch with what is required in the NHL. That is worrisome. I just don't seem to be able to pick up what is required in this league. What might work and what most certainly never will.

I honestly can't always tell what the coaches want and what the players execute. It sounds like Quinn did not want them plyaing the game that they did and that was not his gameplan last night. It's always going to be a learning curve with a young team but they all need to do better including Quinn

I also think we need to keep in mind this team had little over a week to get ready for the season...no real training camp, no preseason games, and they're not a vet heavy team with few changes like the Islanders were.

 

[Dr. Ogrodnick]

My problem with this game is not that they lost this game in the 1st period, but they lost this game in the 2nd and 3rd. Their play didn't change one iota, they lost more faceoffs then carter has pills, their player leadership failed to rally the troops and perform better, they failed miserably to be a competitive team and being hard to play against didn't even show up at the door. It was a shame that there was not any fans in attendance because their voices would have been louder than that of the coaching staff. The hitting was nill at best, thats not an Islander/Ranger game and I guess that the Islanders didn't throw any hits in fear of waking up their opponent. But ten again it's only one game.

They played much better in the 2nd, though they did set the bar pretty low in the 1st. They sucked again in the 3rd and let the Isles do what they do, bit the Isles are good at that. The Rangers will always be bad at faceoffs with the current makeup. That might change when their poor play forces them to overpay for Dubois.

 

[LieutenantLackluster]

One period into the season and I dont want to watch hockey anymore

 

[blue425]

Looked like shit.

Young. One game.

On to the next.

 

[Shesterkybomb]

Frustrating watching Quinn in the post game show talking about the team being unprepared to play and not playing with good intentions, as if those things don't fall primarily on the coaches, especially with such a young team.

They don't..... he's not saying they weren't provided those tools, just that they didn't use them. Its not the coaches job to make players play, its a common misconception, his job is to prepare them for the games, give them a system, provide them with any motivation or support they need but if they show up game day without a will or backbone thats on them. You can bring a horse to water but you can't make him drink. Its really funny that people think that the coach is magically supposed to say something before the game that makes everyone play better, like its a movie and every game is game 7.

 

[SnowblindNYR]

The whole team came in to play unprepared. You can’t afford to play games like this, especially when there are only 56 games to played.

This is why I'm quite peeved at Quinn. This was 4 games in a row like this. 4-0 bad games happen but the Rangers didn't look like an NHL team in that first period. And they looked bad even in the 2nd period which was their best.

 

[SA16]

They played much better in the 2nd, though they did set the bar pretty low in the 1st. They sucked again in the 3rd and let the Isles do what they do, bit the Isles are good at that. The Rangers will always be bad at faceoffs with the current makeup. That might change when their poor play forces them to overpay for Dubois.

Why would that change when Dubois is horrible on faceoffs?

 

[SnowblindNYR]

Here's the positive here. I know that the Islanders aren't the 80s Oilers but if Shesterkin played the 1st like he did the 3rd and like he did all season we probably lose 2-0 and while that would be an extremely flattering score (hell 4-0 is flattering) that means we'll likely be in more games than not. Igor was a monster in the 3rd.

 

[Thirty One]

If they look like this for the first month of the season they will have already missed any shot at the playoffs with only 56 games. Probably gets Quinn fired too.

Luckily it’s just been one game then!

 

[Kovalev27]

the worst game we’ve played in 5 years. Literally

 

[LORDE]

I wasn't able to watch the game because I have the app & the NHL doesn't see fit to let me watch games on NHL Network but I digress...

I think when you have a young team, inexperienced team, and a team with turnover... you're going to see this in a shortened season without a proper training camp/pre-season.

It's not good news obv but let's see what happens by game 10 or 20. Yeah that's almost half the season but it's going to take some time.

Just my .02 cents

 

[NYSPORTS]

To me they looked like a team that bought all the hype about their own potential and got smacked right in the mouth by an experienced team and top tier coach. Preseason would have been good for this team, more so than for a team like the Islanders I'd say. They were horribly out of sync, and completely unprepared for hockey at NHL speeds.

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I buy into that.

Guessing also camp was a plethora of scrimmages to get into shape. They skated like individuals playing pond hockey rather a team executing a stategy.

 

[bleedblue94]

I'm not laying this on the feet of the players. Many looked like they did in the bubble: giving effort early but all running around on a different page. To me this directly points to coaching and preparation. I can handle rust and some confusion early on, but the entire team looked completely disjointed. I hate using coaches as scapegoats, but this is becoming a common theme here...

 

[Player big P]

Looked like shit.

Young. One game.

On to the next.

Garth, that was a haiku

 

[TominNC]

Anyway, now with a night’s sleep.

yeah they sucked in every way possible. But it’s one game. They’ve started slow before, so overreacting isn’t necessary. At least from me. You guys all do what you do.

But damn Johnson sucks. We knew it when they were going to sign him, after they signed him, during camp. And then he sucked as bad as we knew he would. And he has no hope for improvement.

 

[haveandare]

It was ugly but I’m not really shocked being the first game in a long time with no preseason and a young team. Also playing a team that should be a good foil for them style wise.

Definitely concerned about more things than I can count from that game but not going to get too hung up on it and freak out because it’s a waste of time and energy.

Hoping they learned something for Saturday.

Garth, that was a haiku

It’s like, we’re looking down on Wayne’s basement — but that’s not Wayne’s basement.