Post-Game Talk: #1 - 01/14/21 | islanders @ RANGERS

[Do you want ants]

Jack Johnson is the Howden of defensemen. His minutes went up the more he sucked. Here’s hoping that changes or we hire Gallant so that changes.

 

[Kords]

It is one game, and I think our goalies are better than that first period. But I don't get stressed about Kakko or Chytil when I see Zibanejad and Panarin playing like they did. Z just had COVID, what's Panarin's excuse? Everybody talks about how strong he is on pucks and how he hounds people. He hasn't really since last January.

Panarin came here for the stage. Between this game and the bubble, it could be a no fans issue with him.

 

[huerter]

As the great philosopher Odog says, just because you get a bunch of high picks doesn't mean Jerry wheels out onto the ice and hands you the cup.

We were doing nothing clean the entire game except for some PP setup time that led to minimal scoring chances. And our structure was nonexistent.

Did Trouba's NMC kick in yet?

 

[Glen Sathers Cigar]

They're trying to hide that the arena is empty as if we don't f***ing know

You’re probably right. That’s so dumb lol we are all fully aware of what is going on. Pulling the camera back doesn’t hide it, plus if anything it makes it easier to see the seats on the camera side of the ice.

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

I hate to break it to you guys but Quinn isn’t going anywhere unless they lose like 20 games in a row.

I hate to also break this to you guys but you’re all going to complain just as much about the next coach too.

It remains to be seen if David Quinn can coach in the NHL. I’m unsure about him, but I’m also unsure of there being a coach out there who can get a team with half a roster of players under 23-years-old to play a tight defensive system.

Does anyone really want this team to adapt a tight checking system? Not only is it painful to watch, it really doesn't win in this league. I know the Caps won with it, but they also have the best goal scorer that this game has ever seen.

They'd be much better suited with a coach who is going to get the group to dictate the pace out there and really attack in straight lines rather than clog everything up and hope to pounce on mistakes.

 

[Blue Blooded]

Jack Johnson is the Howden of defensemen. His minutes went up the more he sucked. Here’s hoping that changes or we hire Gallant so that changes.

I think Gallant would likely make a massive difference for this team, but I could also see him playing Howden in the top-6 while banishing Buch to the bottom lines (and somehow make it work).

 

[Kakko Schmakko]

Look who's on the bottom.

A rebuild is about development, folks.

They are more interested in developing this head coach and his 3 clowns than developing top draftpicks

 

[Blue Blooded]

Look who's on the bottom.

A rebuild is about development, folks.

Hey guys, maybe Fast wasn't as easily replaceable as most people seemed to think?

 

[TheBloodyNine]

Dogshit performance from head to tail.

 

[SnowblindNYR]

It is one game, and I think our goalies are better than that first period. But I don't get stressed about Kakko or Chytil when I see Zibanejad and Panarin playing like they did. Z just had COVID, what's Panarin's excuse? Everybody talks about how strong he is on pucks and how he hounds people. He hasn't really since last January.

Panarin has played like shit since the pause in March.

 

[Edge]

I thought the game was a mess. There’s just no way around it.

I think the defense is going to have its work cut out of for it, with or without Johnson. I think this game was a sobering reminder that it can’t just be an elite goalie bailing us out.

It also showed that our defense is going to potentially struggle against bigger, heavier forward groups. I consistently saw our defensemen out-muscled.

Way too many lazy and stupid penalties.

Rangers might want Johnson in there because he knows Martin’s system. But he ain’t going to last with games like tonight.

Clock isn’t ticking on Quinn...yet. A lot depends on whether it looks like the team is making any progress. Assuming they aren’t as bad as tonight, nor as good as when we inevitably get ahead of ourselves, he’s probably here for the season.

I personally didn’t have a problem with Kakko tonight. I thought he had some chances, but like the rest of the top six also had moments where he wasn’t visible on the ice. I also really don’t see a ton of difference from some other players at the same age. If he buries that one chance, we probably aren’t even addressing this.

Laf looks like he belongs and he’ll be fine.

Miller gave us a glimpse of what will get us excited at times and make us cringe at times. I think this game was a valuable reminder of that, and I don’t think that’s inherently a bad thing.

Fox had some great plays and frustrating moments as well.

Panarin has been missing since last March.

Lindgren, Kreider and Buch had good games.

Liked the third and fourth lines tonight. Thought Howden picked up where he left off against Carolina - in a good way.

Agreed with Quinn’s assessment about too many passes.

Also think Quinn cannot keep rolling out a team that looks completely unprepared. That’s entirely on him and his staff.

Thought Valiquette’s analysis was spot-on.

 

[SnowblindNYR]

I know you're never as bad as you look when you lose but the team looked so bad I wonder how they'll manage to win any games. This was the worst early season game since ironically 2013-2014.

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

Hey guys, maybe Fast wasn't as easily replaceable as most people seemed to think?

He isn't easily replaceable, but I don't think he would have stopped Panarin from making a gazillion turnovers in this game.

 

[tbassler]

The Rangers were pulling up on their checks. I saw a few checks, Trouba and Kreider.

The rest think this is a video game. The Isles were the opposite.

We were playing broomball and they were playing hockey.

 

[Blue Blooded]

He isn't easily replaceable, but I don't think he would have stopped Panarin from making a gazillion turnovers in this game.

Now that's 100% correct, but I'm still pissed we let him walk and am going to take every opportunity to bitch about it.

 

[will1066]

They just play too finesse. Against a defensively disciplined team like Trotz, they just wait on you to make that one extra pass. They need to go more in straight lines and crash the net. They did that on the non-goal.

 

[TheBloodyNine]

I knew I’d eventually be right about Panarin, I just didn’t think it was gonna be this early. Or maybe I did.

 

[Kakko Schmakko]

I thought the game was a mess. There’s just no way around it.

I think the defense is going to have its work cut out of for it, with or without Johnson. I think this game was a sobering reminder that it can’t just be an elite goalie bailing us out.

It also showed that our defense is going to potentially struggle against bigger, heavier forward groups. I consistently saw our defensemen out-muscled.

Way too many lazy and stupid penalties.

Rangers might want Johnson in there because he knows Martin’s system. But he ain’t going to last with games like tonight.

Clock isn’t ticking on Quinn...yet. A lot depends on whether it looks like the team is making any progress. Assuming they aren’t as bad as tonight, nor as good as when we inevitably get ahead of ourselves, he’s probably here for the season.

I personally didn’t have a problem with Kakko tonight. I thought he had some chances, but like the rest of the top six also had moments where he wasn’t visible on the ice. I also really don’t see a ton of difference from some other players at the same age. If he buries that one chance, we probably aren’t even addressing this.

Laf looks like he belongs and he’ll be fine.

Miller gave us a glimpse of what will get us excited at times and make us cringe at times. I think this game was a valuable reminder of that, and I don’t think that’s inherently a bad thing.

Fox had some great plays and frustrating moments as well.

Panarin has been missing since last March.

Lindgren, Kreider and Buch had good games.

Liked the third and fourth lines tonight. Thought Howden picked up where he left off against Carolina - in a good way.

Agreed with Quinn’s assessment about too many passes.

Also think Quinn cannot keep rolling out a team that looks completely unprepared. That’s entirely on him and his staff.

Thought Valiquette’s analysis was spot-on.

with no tickets sold, relying primarily on tv ratings they will have to fire Quinn because most Ranger fans even die hard ones are not going to be able to stomach this.

 

[bernmeister]

I think you’re underestimating how not ready Reunanen, Hajek, Robertson, Kravtsov, Lundkvist, and Barron all are. I mean, half of those guys couldn’t even make THIS waste of a team. I’d be surprised if even two of those guys become good NHL players.

They gave KAM a push when arguably the extra short year wouldn't hurt him and they'd save burning a year of elc
The rest of these guys are sufficiently ready, IMO, for this stage of development.
I think they have more to gain from NHL mins than weaker AHL mins.

I don't believe they couldn't make the team.
It is the ongoing prob that too much, mgmt gives too much def to vets.
Other than Smith and JJ, these vets are not a waste, but like Namest. we are better off giving mins to younger emerging talent [Chytil, etc.].

It’s been one game man lol

That's moot, bud.
The bottom line is they need to get to a real core.
No extra players taking away mins/cap space.
Have been preachin that for a while.

It should be obv that whether due to managing salary vs. unsatisfied expectations on production, the pt is those guys are out and the emerging elc studs are the future, and the future is close to now.

 

[Edge]

with no tickets sold, relying primarily on tv ratings they will have to fire Quinn because most Ranger fans even die hard ones are not going to be able to stomach this.

I don’t think that’s really a thought right now.

If they go 2-10-2, perhaps. But I really don’t think they’re going to make a move unless it just becomes impossible not to.

And even then, I think we’re probably looking at an interim coach and maybe another transitional one at that.

 

[will1066]

I thought the game was a mess. There’s just no way around it.

I think the defense is going to have its work cut out of for it, with or without Johnson. I think this game was a sobering reminder that it can’t just be an elite goalie bailing us out.

It also showed that our defense is going to potentially struggle against bigger, heavier forward groups. I consistently saw our defensemen out-muscled.

Way too many lazy and stupid penalties.

Rangers might want Johnson in there because he knows Martin’s system. But he ain’t going to last with games like tonight.

Clock isn’t ticking on Quinn...yet. A lot depends on whether it looks like the team is making any progress. Assuming they aren’t as bad as tonight, nor as good as when we inevitably get ahead of ourselves, he’s probably here for the season.

I personally didn’t have a problem with Kakko tonight. I thought he had some chances, but like the rest of the top six also had moments where he wasn’t visible on the ice. I also really don’t see a ton of difference from some other players at the same age. If he buries that one chance, we probably aren’t even addressing this.

Laf looks like he belongs and he’ll be fine.

Miller gave us a glimpse of what will get us excited at times and make us cringe at times. I think this game was a valuable reminder of that, and I don’t think that’s inherently a bad thing.

Fox had some great plays and frustrating moments as well.

Panarin has been missing since last March.

Lindgren, Kreider and Buch had good games.

Liked the third and fourth lines tonight. Thought Howden picked up where he left off against Carolina - in a good way.

Agreed with Quinn’s assessment about too many passes.

Also think Quinn cannot keep rolling out a team that looks completely unprepared. That’s entirely on him and his staff.

Thought Valiquette’s analysis was spot-on.

Just like you didn't have a problem with Kakko, I didn't necessarily have heartburn with Johnson. He wasn't a huge liability in this game like ppl are making him out to be. Collectively they weren't ready to play and let the game get away early. They tried too many fine, thread the needle plays. Against a team like that, you find yourself doing that even if you don't mean to because you feel that's the only way to get through the muck.

 

[2Leetch_94]

Too soon to start the annual "This is a bad hockey team" thread?

 

[SnowblindNYR]

I don’t think that’s really a thought right now.

If they go 2-10-2, perhaps. But I really don’t think they’re going to make a move unless it just becomes impossible not to.

And even then, I think we’re probably looking at an interim coach and maybe another transitional one at that.

The way this team playing tonight that's 6 more points than I expect in the first 14 games.

 

[SnowblindNYR]

I knew I’d eventually be right about Panarin, I just didn’t think it was gonna be this early. Or maybe I did.

Congratulations.

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

I knew I’d eventually be right about Panarin, I just didn’t think it was gonna be this early. Or maybe I did.

I've been super critical of his performance tonight, more out of keeping with the hysterics and hyperbole of this place (I mean he was really bad and he sucked in the bubble too), but its still to early to sound the alarm on this one.

But this was easily the worst game hes played as a Ranger, by a long shot. Like its one thing if your hands aren't there because of rust, but he was just making stupid decision after stupid decision tonight. Forget the give aways, but the one PP where the top unit ate the entire 2 minutes they had the Isles PK'ers sucking for air, and he opted for a weak wrister from the point that had NO CHANCE OF EVEN GETTING THROUGH which was easily blocked and eventually went out of the zone. That is shit that I would expect from Johnson if he got PP time, not Panarin.

I don't care what the xGA was for Kakko and Strome, what ever it was is almost entirely on Panarin tonight.