Post-Game Talk: #1 - 01/14/21 | islanders @ RANGERS

[Machinehead]

Maybe. I don't think his lack of progress is about his game or not addressing his weaknesses so much as being placed on a roster that doesn't give a crap about playing anything but pond hockey.

It worked to an extent last year because of some next level, unsustainable performances from Panarin and Zibanejad.

I would point to Buchnevich as a player who has clearly improved under Quinn though.

I'll give him that but when you're used to working with college juniors and seniors that are very good college players, and even underclassmen who are good prospects, you're dealing with guys who are relatively advanced for their level. We might be seeing some disconnect there. It isn't always just about age.

 

[SnowblindNYR]

Proud to say I’ve always said he was better than Kakko

I don't know if you're being sarcastic or you're actually gloating that Devil is better than a Ranger.

 

[Glen Sathers Cigar]

By the way, wtf was with that new camera angle? Not a fan of that at all.

 

[Machinehead]

The good news is, we won't have to worry much about developing Lafreniere.

He looked like he's played 10 years.

 

[May Rih]

Thing is the other team didn’t have exhibition games either. Why didn’t they make stupid mistakes? And I’m not even talking about cohesion and chemistry — it would be unfair to expect us, with so many new key players, to be as orderly as the Isles. I’m talking about poor positioning and brain-dead passes as well as uninspired offense.

I thought the Isles were also pretty sloppy at times tonight. Definitely less than us, but sloppy nonetheless.

 

[SnowblindNYR]

Any chance we get blown out again next game and Quinn gets the pink slip? I was ok with him until the play-in round but even then he wasn't anything special.

 

[PuckLuck3043]

I think part of the problem with this team not playing well after long layoffs and no competition in between is that a very big part of their game is playing fast, pushing the play, and being creative offensively. It takes time to shake the rust off and to gel especially for a younger team. I think teams that play more of a defensive and structured game tend not to need as long to find their game. I think we will see a different team as the season moves on just like we did last year. I expect them to look like crap for at least the next few games as well. I think 10 games in this team will look nothing like it did tonight.

 

[Fataldogg]

Out coached, as usual, this team isn't going anywhere with Quinn. It doesn't matter if you win the lottery in back to back seasons and draft #2 and #1 each of those corresponding seasons. If the coach cannot effectively teach and implement defensive systems, its useless.

I'm not sure Kakko is NHL ready. His skating just isn't there. I don't think he has the skating ability or speed to bring what a typical #2 overall can bring to the table.

Lafreniere looked solid for his first game. Much better skater that Kakko.

Shesterkin was terrible in the first, and had a very strong 2nd and 3rd. Unfortunately, you cannot fall behind 3-0 against the Islanders and expect anything. They needed him to make 1-2 decent saves in the first and he couldn't come up with them.

Barzal and Lee exponentially outplayed our top talent. Every time Barzal was on the ice a Grade A chance was being created. Panarin and Zibenejad had a quiet night.

Not a good start but it is just game one.

 

[aufheben]

Any chance we get blown out again next game and Quinn gets the pink slip? I was ok with him until the play-in round but even then he wasn't anything special.

I hate to break it to you guys but Quinn isn’t going anywhere unless they lose like 20 games in a row.

I hate to also break this to you guys but you’re all going to complain just as much about the next coach too.

It remains to be seen if David Quinn can coach in the NHL. I’m unsure about him, but I’m also unsure of there being a coach out there who can get a team with half a roster of players under 23-years-old to play a tight defensive system.

 

[TheDirtyH]

I'll give him that but when you're used to working with college juniors and seniors that are very good college players, and even underclassmen who are good prospects, you're dealing with guys who are relatively advanced for their level. We might be seeing some disconnect there. It isn't always just about age.

I mean, Laf is going to be a great example. The dude probably had the puck on his stick for 10 minutes a game his last season in the Q. Even Sidney Crosby won't have it for a minute most nights.

You're right it's not just about age, but their age has a lot to do with it in these cases. I think the whole mandate to try to win no matter how mixes really poorly with the get better every day, it's a build thing.

Of course you have to compete and try to win, but this team as a whole lacks any real identity and there doesn't seem to be much impetus from management or the coaches to establish one. If your whole way of playing is superfluous and you're whole vision of how to win is to throw 22 minutes and night to 93 and 10 and pray 31 and 40 are phenomenal, then you're not creating much for anybody to learn how to be successful as a part of a team--something that talents like Kakko and Laf never needed to learn since they've always been the 93s and 10s of their teams.

 

[Machinehead]

By the way, wtf was with that new camera angle? Not a fan of that at all.

They're trying to hide that the arena is empty as if we don't f***ing know

 

[Machinehead]

I mean, Laf is going to be a great example. The dude probably had the puck on his stick for 10 minutes a game his last season in the Q. Even Sidney Crosby won't have it for a minute most nights.

You're right it's not just about age, but their age has a lot to do with it in these cases. I think the whole mandate to try to win no matter how mixes really poorly with the get better every day, it's a build thing.

Of course you have to compete and try to win, but this team as a whole lacks any real identity and there doesn't seem to be much impetus from management or the coaches to establish one. If your whole way of playing is superfluous and you're whole vision of how to win is to throw 22 minutes and night to 93 and 10 and pray 31 and 40 are phenomenal, then you're not creating much for anybody to learn how to be successful as a part of a team--something that talents like Kakko and Laf never needed to learn since they've always been the 93s and 10s of their teams.

I agree with what you said about identity. You can't develop players without putting clear goals in front of them in terms of how they fit the system.

What is David Quinn hockey? I don't think David Quinn could tell you.

 

[NoQuitInNewMexico]

Maybe the camera angle made the whole game look slower. That's what I'm gonna blame it on.

 

[Blue Blooded]

I hate to break it to you guys but Quinn isn’t going anywhere unless they lose like 20 games in a row.

I hate to also break this to you guys but you’re all going to complain just as much about the next coach too.

Most of us felt it was time for a change with Torts, but I don't remember anywhere near the vitriol against him on here compared to AV and DQ.

 

[mike14]

McDavid, hat trick, 4 points, still in the 2nd. Draisaitl 4 assists tonight, 5 already on the year.

You need your guys to come ready to play. Trouba looked like he had ankle weights on. Zib had some chances and was supposed to be questionable due to Covid so he gets kudos. Kreider was meh, not bad but not leading the way. Panarin didn’t look like he came to play. Strome and DeAngelo each make almost 5M, Kreider makes 6.5M, Trouba 8M. Those guys don’t get to take nights off or show up looking unprepared.

McDavid looked pretty terrible last night, so maybe we'll see a bit more from our stars on Saturday...

 

[Blue Blooded]

What is David Quinn hockey? I don't think David Quinn could tell you.

Whatever Howden was doing between November 2018 and August 2020.

 

[will1066]

Him taking a penalty a minute in and being off the ice unable to contribute at the one thing he supposedly is good at kinda told us what the night was gonna be like

His clearing pass up the boards hit the ref, and his penalty was ticky tacky. It happens. Plenty of culprits all around. Trouba getting his dinner handed to him by Lee. Lee and Barzal toying with everyone. Miller a few unsure decisions in the beginning, Shesty fighting off the rust, the whole team playing the first 10 mins at preseason pace and getting caught in transition, bread and the top 4 always making that extra lateral pass instead of driving the net, KK disappearing, Laf disappearing, ADA losing his shit, the list goes on.

 

[LokiDog]

McDavid looked pretty terrible last night, so maybe we'll see a bit more from our stars on Saturday...

He had several chances and a crossbar. I agree he was very pedestrian FOR McDavid but he’d have been a standout for us tonight, even with last nights performance. And I get it, he’s McDavid. But forget 4 points and a hat trick or 5 points from Draisaitl. The point is just top guys showing up ready. Laine had 2 tonight. Connor and Scheifele had the others. Tkachuk, Gaudreau and Lindholm for Calgary. Ovie had 2 assists, Carlson a few points, Oshie a few points. Just overall, you need to see your guys show up. Are we the only team to get shutout so far? And moreover, forgetting the score and looking at the eye test... our guys just didn’t show up. But yes, it’s only one game and the next could easily be a big blowout in our favor. It’s super early. Guys showing up unprepared repeatedly under Quinn is a concerning trend though.

 

[TheDirtyH]

I agree with what you said about identity. You can't develop players without putting clear goals in front of them in terms of how they fit the system.

What is David Quinn hockey? I don't think David Quinn could tell you.

I'm thinking we actually agree. I don't know that I've ever bought into the 'development coach' idea in hockey. But I give Quinn some leeway because like I say, it's a weird thing to be told win and be given a roster that changes nightly and gets six years younger each time it does.

I watch a good amount of NCAA and I've seen what kind of hockey Quinn wants his team to be playing. I actually like it, and I usually like his assessments of the team and individual players.

I'm sure Avs fans were saying a lot of the same things about Bednar not long ago.

TBH, I think Quinn's caught in a tough spot with the directives over top of him. I know the captaincy isn't a big deal, but giving letters to 10 and 8 is a weird move, especially when you have a guy like Kreider who's been with the Rangers forever, works his ass off, and gets better almost annually since he was 21 getting the same letter. If Quinn says do this, you know Kreider would and does. Panarin isn't that kind of player. Trouba, maybe has that attitude but he's barely been here and I actually don't think he's that type either given his bolting out of WPG and the contract he managed to wrestle from us.

 

[aufheben]

Most of us felt it was time for a change with Torts, but I don't remember anywhere near the vitriol against him on here compared to AV and DQ.

If it wasn’t us it was Canucks fans.

 

[will1066]

I thought the Isles were also pretty sloppy at times tonight. Definitely less than us, but sloppy nonetheless.

They could've potted 3 more at least on wide open chances had they not made self-errors on those chances which saved our bacon. They were left open on shesty's doorstep a lot.

 

[Kords]

What is David Quinn hockey? I don't think David Quinn could tell you.

It's all about having swagger, you just wouldn't get it

 

[will1066]

Btw Quinn has aged like 5 years visually

 

[Blue Blooded]

If it wasn’t us it was Canucks fans.

Oh, by "here" I meant HFNYR. Torts was about as popular as Messier in Vancouver.

 

[TheDirtyH]

It is one game, and I think our goalies are better than that first period. But I don't get stressed about Kakko or Chytil when I see Zibanejad and Panarin playing like they did. Z just had COVID, what's Panarin's excuse? Everybody talks about how strong he is on pucks and how he hounds people. He hasn't really since last January.